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I'd like to clarify something about asking y'all to boycott The Seeker : I have no problem with changing things from books to movies in general. Y'all know how I championed Stardust this summer; I actually thought that the changes, of which there were many, worked really well in the context of a film, and that everything that needed to be there was still there. I've actually gone to the mat defending various Harry Potter omissions and alterations (you may remember how much I loved Prisoner of Azkaban); I actually liked the Arwen additions in Lord of the Rings; and I'm more than willing to give the His Dark Materials adaptations the benefit of the doubt until we see how they handle the religious themes. I'd even be okay with them soft-pedaling or even omitting that element if they did it in a way that (somehow. I know, I know, I don't know how either) made sense. I know saying that will probably cause bedlam in the comments, but you certainly get my point: filmmakers who seem to respect the books as books, which are not movies, but try to adapt them as gently as possible to film anyway are okay with me. I know that the anti-religion element is so key to His Dark Materials, but I also can't imagine an American movie aimed at kids where characters set out to "kill God." I mean, I'm sorry: I don't see that happening. So the the level of respect and fidelity with which the HDM filmmakers try to get around that sociopolitical impossibility, that's what I care about.

And then... there's The Dark Is Rising. There's just a level of contempt for the entire undertaking that floors me. To wit:

From [livejournal.com profile] snale: NPR : Author Uncertain About 'Dark' Leap to Big Screen. "Screenwriter John Hodge first looked at The Dark Is Rising many years ago. At that time, it just didn't seem like the right project for the man who wrote the screenplay for Trainspotting, a gritty film about heroin addiction. Hodge didn't like fantasy anyway." Then why--WHY--AUGHHH. "Cooper is waiting for the movie, but with a certain sadness. She says she sent a letter requesting changes to the film's script, but she's not sure any alterations were made."

More horror: "Ian McShane, who plays Merriman Lyon says: 'I don't think they've been very faithful to the book. I don't know how many of you've read the book. I know they sold a few copies, but I couldn't read it very well. It's really dense. It's from the 70s, you know? [...] No, I never heard of them [before signing on]. I did try to read the book, but they were a little...I think...I don't know how...There's four of them apparently. Or five. Oh, god. That means I might have to do a sequel." This in addition to his "It's written in Old English" comment. Out! OUT!

Furthermore (from the same blogger as above), "the comments on MTV's Movies Blog are universally unhappy, as are many of the threads and comments over on Walden Media's forums, where we are treated to what appears to be a wonderful display of astroturfing (that is, faking grassroots approval)." Yes, they are actually going to try to pretend that people are happy about this. BOYYYYYYCOTTTTTTT.

(Hey guys? I know some of y'all have expressed an inability to resist the siren song of Christopher Eccleston. Could you just wait a week, maybe? They put so much emphasis on opening weekends these days that waiting just seven days would make a difference. And while I do not condone illegal downloads, may I remind you that you will be able to Netflix the movie in a few short months. Seriously, the theater-to-dvd window is down to about three months now, except in the case of giant blockbusters that they try to hold until the holiday shopping season. And if you all wait that week, or those three months, it could mean the difference between your favorite series getting a reasonably faithful adaptation and another abomination like The Seeker. Come on, I can't make armchair activism it any easier than this.)

From [livejournal.com profile] quenbolyn: "Well, if any of the other reviews sound like this one, I don't think it's going to do very well at all." HUZZAH!

And finally, the entire Dark Is Rising sequence at Amazon USA and Amazon UK. Note: The set does not have movie tie-in covers. There may be swanker boxed sets out there, but this is a nice affordable paperback set, good for bookish kids on your Christmas list.

(I can't help it--a little bit more: The Seeker: The Dark Is Rising : The Interviews. "The powers that my character [Will] has is that he can light stuff on fire which is really cool. He summons great strength. He can move objects with his mind. He can travel through time, but the main thing that I wish he could, but it would ruin the whole story, is that he can't fly. He wants to fly in the movie too which I think is perfect because I would love to be able to fly. It would totally change the whole story though." And more from McShane: "It's very rare that you get the kids in nearly every shot of the movie. It really is." Has he seen any of the Harry Potter movies? Any of them? Narnia? Lemony Snicket? Even Bridge to Terabitihia ? Anything at all?)

The rest of the linkspam!

L.A. professor triggers Myanmar Web shutdown.

The finest slice of WTF you will see this month. Possibly this year. The century? Who knows?

Lingerie 4 Men?

Paddington Bear sells his soul for Marmite.

Stephen Fry blogs about fame: "Dan Whatsit and his preposterously awful Leonardo book are actually relevant to our theme.... Of course those for whom money is important will tell me that Dan Doodah is ‘laughing all the way to the bank’ and that his sales are all the approbation he needs. Well those who think money is any more reliable than fame as an index of worth are already beyond help. Eat shit, a trillion flies can’t be wrong." He also gives us this piece of advice: "So, student journalists, tyro profilers and rooky reporters out there, seriously, quite seriously never ask a ‘what’s it like’ question, it instantly reveals your crapness."

Polley Celebrates Directors Guild of Canada Award Wins.

Cate Blanchett rocks some kind of sky-blue caftoga at the Golden Age premiere just because she can.

"Heartbreak Kid Movie to have Sweeney Todd Trailer!"

Narnia Set Visit: The Costumes.

New 'I Am Legend' and 'Mummy 3' photos

Hardwicke to Direct Meyer's 'Twilight.'

New Watchmen Writers?

Caine Calls Ledger’s Acting In ‘Dark Knight’ ‘One Of The Scariest Performances I’ve Ever Seen.’

Bardem/Bale in Killing Pablo.

Universal and Berg Making Getty Kidnap Film.

Spyglass Remaking Cronenberg's Brood.

Indy Extra Blabs, Gets Cut.

Poet John Keats A ‘Bright Star’ For Abbie Cornish.

Del Toro Helming At the Mountains of Madness ?

Why you should be watching BBC's 'Jekyll.'

Kevin Dillon starring in ''300' spoof. Doesn't that movie pretty much spoof itself, though? And yes, I say that as someone who did write a spoof.


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Date: 2007-10-04 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poinsley.livejournal.com
That comic was fascinating, in a completely what-the-heck-were-they-smoking kind of way. How did it get published?!

Date: 2007-10-04 01:08 am (UTC)
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That comic with "The Codpiece" is probably the greatest thing I have ever seen in my 19 years of life.

Date: 2007-10-04 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I thought it was even more fantastic when I realized a woman was listed as the writer.

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Date: 2007-10-04 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marialima.livejournal.com
There's just a level of contempt for the entire undertaking that floors me.

I'm with you on all of this. The whole undertaking makes me beyond ill.

This: It's really dense. - asdlakjdflkadjf! Dude, the books were written for young adults - like you know, 11, 12, 13.

::sighs in disgust::

Date: 2007-10-04 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arielchan.livejournal.com
I, for one, read the entire series at the age of 11 and loved them. I know I was 11 because I remember being paranoid for a couple days that my science teacher worked for the Dark and was out to get me.

I know I was an advanced reader, but seriously?

Date: 2007-10-04 01:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] girlalmighty
Even as someone who has yet to read any of The Dark is Rising sequence, I'm still appalled at the way they've handled this movie, so thank you for spreading the word like this. So many of my friends are up in arms about it. Great as Christopher Eccleston may be, I have no intention of watching it at all.

Date: 2007-10-04 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elendiari22.livejournal.com
Wow. Let's just call him Ian McWanker, why don't we?

Date: 2007-10-04 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spectralbovine.livejournal.com
Yeah, like I almost don't want to watch Deadwood now.

Date: 2007-10-04 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] txvoodoo.livejournal.com
Cate can DO NO WRONG.

I am disapointd w/ the Seeker crap. I reread the books recently and..yeah.

I love the Narnia costuming!

Date: 2007-10-04 06:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] count-01.livejournal.com
Even in weird costuming (which oddly, looks quite comfortable in steamy LA) Her Cateness looks fantastic. Heck, she even looked hot as a skinhead (http://imdb.com/title/tt0246677/).

Also, if Billy del Toro is making my favorite Lovecraft story in the universe (possibly second to the Strange Case of Charles Dexter Ward, once played by Chris Sarandon, spectacular role in a shit movie) I may even find the time to see it. And that is a very difficult thing to do.

Date: 2007-10-04 01:18 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] dzurlady.livejournal.com
According to the film review Will looks up 'light and dark' on Google. What the hell?

Date: 2007-10-04 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Hee, I saw that too. I cannot begin to imagine what this movie claims turned up as a search result. I mean, obviously the Dark maintains a website, for starters...

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Date: 2007-10-04 01:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] raanve
Another quote from the screenwriter that I liked: "One of the things I didn't want it to be confused with was Harry Potter, because I just think the world doesn't need another English boy involved with fantasy adventures," he says.

You know what? He's right. What we need is more films about GIRLS involved in fantasy adventures. ;P

Date: 2007-10-06 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dduane.livejournal.com
(grin) Nolo contendere. (http://www.youngwizards.com)

Date: 2007-10-04 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theatre-angel.livejournal.com
See, while I think it's admirable that they're attempting to adapt HDM for kids, the anti-religion element is such a fundamental crux of the books that it makes no sense for them to water it down as much as it sounds lik they will be -- or, indeed, cut it entirely. I know, you're right, it wouldn't appeal to children if they played it as prominently as Pullman did in the books, but part of me wonders, why bother adapting it for such a young audience, when the books ultimately went in the direction of young adult? And, again, I know, cash in on the success of HP and LOTR, but there have got to be some other books out there that were intended for a younger audience and would translate well to the screen. Lost Years of Merlin, anyone?

Date: 2007-10-04 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metonymy.livejournal.com
*raises hand*

I missed a TON of the religious elements in His Dark Materials. Like, when people said "It's an attack on the Church" I went "Wait, what?" I read them when I was about 11 to 13 or so, and I was not a particularly stupid child. But I was raised essentially atheist, so maybe that's why. But I can totally believe that a good movie can be made of the trilogy without referring explicitly to Christianity.

Date: 2007-10-04 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crimsnfirestorm.livejournal.com
Ahaha I was raised a Catholic and I didn't pick up on it too much at all when I read them as a kid. I hadn't thought that I was all that dense...

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Date: 2007-10-04 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dakiwiboid.livejournal.com
That the Lingerie for Men site is a promotion for Snickers bars.

Date: 2007-10-04 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crimsnfirestorm.livejournal.com
Just when I thought that comic couldn't get any a) more hilarious and b) more repress-worthy, I read the phrase "UTILITY DICK" in the comments.

Date: 2007-10-04 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenofattolia.livejournal.com
Why I should avoid Jekyll like the plague: James Nesbitt has a face that could stop a clock.

He ain't such a hot actor, either. I cannot account for his popularity in the UK.

Date: 2007-10-04 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dives.livejournal.com
o rly? I don't exactly think he's OMGSOHAWTTTT but he has a sort of charming vibe. Problem with Jekyll? That hair. THAT HAIR.

Date: 2007-10-04 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com
I can't believe I'm saying this, because I love Christopher Eccleston... but LUCKILY, I don't think he has enough fans that his presence alone can open a movie.

SINK LIKE A STONE, EVIL TRAVESTY!

Date: 2007-10-04 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I can't believe people are even thinking about this. Christopher Eccleston is not that hot, people. CLIVE OWEN is not that hot--not hot enough to support this shit. Think about the big picture, people!

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Date: 2007-10-04 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wintersweet.livejournal.com
I think McShane needs to go public with his illiteracy. We could get him help.

Also, I love Blanchett, but damn, what is up with those stripper shoes?

Date: 2007-10-04 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Heeeee, I hadn't even noticed the shoes.

Date: 2007-10-04 02:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padawansguide.livejournal.com
Wow, the more I hear about "The Seeker" the worse it sounds. I posted on CG about it - thought your posts on it were excellent, and very rational. :-)

Date: 2007-10-04 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Heh, thanks. It drives me crazy when people start flailing about the latest tiny thing to be left out of whichever Harry Potter they're filming at the time--I really do feel like this is a completely different level of Ur Doin It Wrong, as the lolcats would say.

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Date: 2007-10-04 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sualocin.livejournal.com
re: The Seeker. Unless the movie does well, I bet it will be out for holiday time. Christmas is only a few months away.

Date: 2007-10-04 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I could honestly see them timing it that way--as people have mentioned, there's really kind of a wintery/Christmas vibe from the story, so by releasing it around Halloween, they get two holidays for the price of one.

Date: 2007-10-04 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mycenae.livejournal.com
"Oh, god. That means I might have to do a sequel." Ok, that made me laugh. If the film's really as bad as it sounds, can you blame him for being horrified at the thought of a sequel?

As for him calling the books dense... I... what?? The actor who parsed some of the most difficult monologues ever on television is calling a children's book dense? I think he's being at least somewhat ironic.

Date: 2007-10-04 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
God, I hope so. I kept rereading what he said because a few things stuck out as being possibly sarcastic, very deadpan ("I know they sold a few copies") or at least self-deprecating. But there's just a point where... I don't know, the general drift of the interview really did seem to be towards "But books are harrrrrrd!"

Sweeney Trailer

Date: 2007-10-04 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flickchick321.livejournal.com
Hey Cleo! I saw the Sweeney trailer tonight at a Heartbreak Kid sneak!
OMG. Awesome.
Left a detailed description here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408236/board/flat/86654925

Hope whoever enjoys it until Friday!

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Date: 2007-10-04 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Ooo, awesome. I'm hoping they'll put it online pretty quickly.

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Date: 2007-10-04 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manasseh.livejournal.com
You think The Seeker is bad? Wait until the Watchmen movie hits. How they're going to adapt that and not maul the source material, I just don't know.

Date: 2007-10-05 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idrach.livejournal.com
I already know I'm not going to see that one. Sorry, but Snyder's resume isn't the best. Not only that, but... yeah. This would have to be interactive for it to be effective.

Date: 2007-10-04 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kosher-jenny.livejournal.com
Heh, speaking as one of those Eccleston fans, you've got nothing to worry about from me. These days I don't even go to the the theaters to see the movies I really want to see, much less ones that I'm only partially interested in because one of my favorite actors is featured wearing a lot of black leather. I might rent it later on, but that's about it. Really, the whole film sounds like a total tragedy and I'm hoping it will bomb, just on principal.

You know what it reminds me of? The clusterfuck that surrounded making the new Superman movie for about twenty years where at one point Tim Burton was the director and they were getting rid of the whole super powers thing, and instead give Superman a symbiotic spacesuit that made his internal organs visible (because old red and blue tights looked "too faggy"). And he was going to be played by Nic Cage. And he was going to fight a giant spider and polar bears just because the producer thought it would be cool. This was the same producer who had wanted to cast Sean Penn as Superman because "he has the eyes of a killer". And then there was the JJ Abrams script...Basically they wanted to take Superman and make him a completely different character save for the name. Only in this case there was no Brian Singer to take over :|

I have no idea why, after the raging success of LotR and the HP movies, Hollywood types still think that buying a loved property and changing it to the point where there is zero resemblance to the original is a good idea.

Date: 2007-10-05 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotusbiosm.livejournal.com
Have you seen A Night with Kevin Smith or whatever it's called where he talks about being asked to work on the Superman script, just before Tim Burton took over? It's really funny.

Date: 2007-10-04 04:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradise-loved.livejournal.com
why does twilight have to be a film? there's barely enough substance for a novel!

i hate that in this day and age, books that are hits have to be made in to movies immediately. i mean, i like a fair amount of book-to-movie films, but really? can't they just leave some be? it just seems like when there is a lack of original plot, they just snag the current #1 best seller.

Date: 2007-10-05 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idrach.livejournal.com
I like Hardwicke and Emily Browning (who is rumored to be playing Bella) so I might actually consider seeing the movie. But yeah... Twilight... is not the best novel I've ever read. Meyer seems really nice though.

Date: 2007-10-04 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skyblade.livejournal.com
I think the movie looks crappy, and that their distancing themselves from the book is only going to shoot themselves in the foot, if not for faithfulness per se, then because most of these movies make the real money in Europe, so Americanizing them is against the point.

But I'm not sure Hodge's and McShane's comments warrant a boycott on principle, as this kind of thing happens all the time. In fact, it's going to happen for The Dark Knight, when Caine and Freeman say they were there for the money, Ledger says superheroes are stupid but he wanted to work with Christopher Nolan, and Maggie Gyllenhaal will talk about how she never read comics or even sees other blockbusters, but this one, mark her words, this one will be different. Sure, Dark Knight will probably good enough to overlook that, but in that case, it just brings us back to "See a movie if it looks good. Skip it if it looks bad", which I don't think is actually a boycott. But I'm simply saying that the cast and crew slagging the source material or genre is nothing new--many actors are not exactly well read (I'd expect more from McShane, but still...) and parties will totally tell you how everything else in the genre is crap, but this, this is unique. Hodge's quotes are probably being advertised to show everyone his "fresh perspective" (Copyright Tim Kring) It's not something I like, but there's no "They'll think they can pull this", it's a "They know they can". It'll probably just flop because it looks bad and an October release for this kind of film is basically a dump.

Date: 2007-10-05 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotusbiosm.livejournal.com
Have any of the cast for The Dark Knight said any of those things?

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Date: 2007-10-04 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericadawn16.livejournal.com
What the hell??? I mean, I've noticed that I couldn't recall scenes in the trailer from book and that Will had an America accent which ticked me off since I very much recalled his being British, but I wanted to give them the benefit of a doubt that parts of the books were one of the things my brain decided to get rid of, but THIS?? Damn, I hope they don't make the other ones, they'll screw them all up and I enjoyed reading them.

Date: 2007-10-04 05:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysticowl.livejournal.com
Weird. Gawker writes that they're not entirely sure Lingerie4Men is a joke, but the site doesn't seem to be hiding the fact that it's a Snickers ad. Get your nuts indeed.
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