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Okay. I was really traumatized by this link and didn't want to post it, but clearly I'm going to have to: somebody arts-and-crafted Bella's womb. ("It's a GEODE of NO.") (Original link, locked.)

People are weird and they scare me.

Today's Snack Deathmatch: Gummi bears vs. Swedish fish.

Re: Stephen King: For those of you non-fans who now feel the warm fuzzies towards him for the Stephenie Meyer thing (please note that he also complimented her a paragraph later) and want to pick up some of his books, I would personally recommend his short stories. I kept meaning to write about this, actually--I read Just After Sunset last month, and as good as "The Gingerbread Girl" was, it made me realize that I'm really not into what you might call "endurance horror": someone's put in a horrific situation, and the rest of the story is him/her surviving and escaping it, no matter what the cost. I seem to like stories that give you weird little thrills instead--the kind where you put down the book and everything looks a little suspicious to you for a few days afterwards. Earlier collections like Night Shift (favorites: "Strawberry Spring," "I Know What You Need") and Skeleton Crew (favorites: "Mrs. Todd's Shortcut," "The Jaunt," "The Ballad of the Flexible Bullet") are chock full of awesomeness, so I'd say start with those too. Oh, and Different Seasons, which was the basis for The Shawshank Redemption, Apt Pupil, and Stand by Me. (His other new collection, Stephen King Goes to the Movies, anthologizes "Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption," "Children of the Corn," "The Mangler," "Low Men in Yellow Coats" [the basis for Hearts in Atlantis] and "1408.") Nightmares and Dreamscapes is also pretty good (favorite: "It Grows On You"; "The Moving Finger" gave my sister the wig FOR YEARS, and all I did was tell her the story); Everything's Eventual is worth it just for "LT's Theory of Pets" and the first half of "1408" (the hotel manager telling the history of the room). As for Just After Sunset, my favorites were "N." and "Harvey's Dream"--reading it I just felt like I was on a knife's edge the whole time, and I think a lot of it has to do with the wife's perspective of hearing her husband describe the dream, and how he doesn't know that it was foretelling the immediate future, but she does. It's the execution, in other words.

The other book I was going to mention was Melissa Anelli's Harry, A History, which I think I subconsciously put off talking about because of my involvement in discussing the Lexicon trial. I mean, things people found and I posted ended up being used in court. I tried to be as fair as I could, to the point where I stopped offering any commentary at all and just posted the links that people brought me (and noted that I would post whatever pro-Vander Ark material people wanted to contribute). There's a point where you read up enough on something that of course you're going to form an opinion, and I already have strong feelings about the rights of authors vs. fans; I just tried to keep mine out of it as much as possible, and probably didn't entirely succeed, particularly in the beginning, but there you are.

Melissa and Steve were, suffice it to say, on different sides. (In case you're wondering, he's only mentioned once, maybe twice, in the book, and only in passing. Some people thought this was unfair to Steve's status as a BNF, but quite honestly, would his supporters prefer Melissa to talk about him at length? Because I don't know that that would be in his best interest.) So I wondered if I should talk about the book or just never mention anyone's at all, but... well, why not. I really enjoyed Melissa's book--I giggled pretty much through the whole thing, which is a good sign. She did get to interview JK Rowling (who also contributes a foreword) for it, and some substantial Rowlingian insights are woven through the narrative. It's a fun, well-written, conversational read, but I will note that it's very aptly titled--it's a history, from someone who was in a position to witness a lot of the phenomenon, but it's not an exhaustive catalogue of every single nook and cranny of the fandom. It's friendly gossip, not a tell-all exposé. I found it particularly interesting because she talks about a lot of things I didn't know about--I knew very little about wizard rock, for example, and of course there are Rowling's own comments. But, again--it's not a twelve-volume

As for Steve's two books--I'm not going to seek them out, but I wouldn't not read them if they were set in front of me, I guess. My problem is that if I wrote up some kind of review, I doubt anyone would take my opinion seriously, given my involvement. Nor should they, most likely: that suggests that I'm assuming I wouldn't like them, which might be confirmation of my bias right there. Actually, if I did like them, I would say so--I would always have the out comfort of saying, "Which is sad, because they're good enough to stand on their own and the trumped-up controversy of the infringement trial, instead of cooperating and revising, wasn't necessary." And, you know, if I somehow gained a new respect for him, I would say that, too. So I would tell the truth. But, again: I obviously have pre-conceived ideas, in no small part because a good bit of the original, infringing Lexicon manuscript appeared in the court documents and was critiqued in open court. So what I'm saying is, the reason I'm not reading or reviewing his books isn't out of spite; it's because it seems like the fairest thing to do, given what I would probably say about them if I did.

ANYWAY. The reason I even brought this up in the first place is because Melissa's going to be doing a signing at Comic-Con. I often chuck material for future entries at the bottom of the current draft, and I forgot to remove it last night before I hit post, so if you saw something about a signing before I was able to get it off, that's what it was in reference to. I had pulled the info from her blog: "I'm doing a signing at New York Comic Con on February 7, at 11 a.m., at 'Table 2'." Which is on the Autographing Stage at the back of the Exhibition Hall, to be more specific. So, you know, if you're in the neighborhood, drop by, tell her Cleo sent you, etc.

And, in the interest of fair play, I hear Steve's on tour as well. You want me to post dates, I can do that too.


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Date: 2009-02-04 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfsilveroak.livejournal.com
Hee, that 'womb' thing was on Stupid Free yesterday. Even the people who belong in the comm it was originally posted to were apalled.

Date: 2009-02-04 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfsilveroak.livejournal.com
I should add, that at the time of the SF_D posting, the original post was unlocked, so reading the DETAILS was horrifying.

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Date: 2009-02-04 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joaniemaloney.livejournal.com
I've never read King so thanks for the recommendations. I'm not the biggest fan of the the survival/horror either, so it's good to have a small taste of his works.

Date: 2009-02-04 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleojones.livejournal.com
She picked some good ones. :)
I think King gets shorted because folks think of him as horror, despite the fact that some of his most successful cross-over stuff is not horror.

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Date: 2009-02-04 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweetsyren.livejournal.com
...I don't see womb. I see horrible felt lump...thing.

I get what they were trying for, but it just looks like felt lumped together to me.

The medium of felt-craft does not lend itself to delicate internal organs, methinks.

Date: 2009-02-04 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwynnywonk.livejournal.com
It can be done right! (http://tinyurl.com/coghuy)

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Date: 2009-02-04 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennythen.livejournal.com
Ha, this icon is horribly appropriate now. Thanks, Uncle Stevie.

Date: 2009-02-04 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allthelivesofme.livejournal.com
Oh my goodness. If that icon isn't the best thing I've ever seen, it's at least in the top ten. LOL

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Date: 2009-02-04 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schmoo999.livejournal.com
I had to click the link to the womb thingy..*sigh*

RE: Bella's womb

Date: 2009-02-04 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divadeanna.livejournal.com
Oh God....Oh my God.....my face is doing the biggest D: it's ever, ever done. I'm so not exaggerating.

Date: 2009-02-04 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinmc.livejournal.com
Wow...Bella's womb...um...I think I just vomited in my mouth a little. And I kinda want to cry. Well, I can't say I wasn't warned.

Thanks for the King recs.

Date: 2009-02-04 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greyduck.livejournal.com
"It's a GEODE of NO."

And here I thought that some Christian group's "Ex-Masturbator" t-shirts (no, I'm not making this up (http://skepchick.org/blog/?p=5866)) was the most brain-breaking thing I could expect to see all week. Clearly I was mistaken.

Just... wow.

Date: 2009-02-05 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphonmage.livejournal.com
The best part is that the shirts are American Apparel, the porniest clothing company ever.

Date: 2009-02-04 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swsa.livejournal.com
Yeah, I was saying somewhere that I think he was kinder to Meyer than I would've expected. He gave her a lot of credit for her ability to appeal to that teenage girl longing. I also think it's hilarious that he made the more controversial moves of dissing Patterson and Koontz and appears to be getting zero fallout from it.

Date: 2009-02-04 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morganwolf.livejournal.com
Re: felted-wool womb:
1. AAAAAHHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAA. I love arts and crafts even more when they're completely WTF.
2. I look at the wool-felt sculptures I had made of my dogs and sigh.
3. This is like the fifth thing having to do with wombs and pregnancy I've come across today. I feel like I should be worried about it.

I also have to agree that King's short stories are the way to go if you're going to read him, but I might be biased because I vastly prefer horror literature in the short form, anyway.

"The Boogeyman" scared the crap out of me when I was a kid, and I still go around checking my closets for a few days and making sure they're all completely closed before I go to bed every time I read it.

Date: 2009-02-04 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divadeanna.livejournal.com
OT but ICON LOVE! :) When that episode of The Soup aired, I laughed so hard, I almost injured myself.

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Date: 2009-02-04 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edda.livejournal.com
I agree with you re the long-drawn-out horrifying situation-type story vs. just a good dose of weirdness. I read The Long Walk and that other one that was game show with Arnold Schwartzenegger in the movie bersion and I. Want. My. Time. BACK.

Date: 2009-02-04 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmaorgana.livejournal.com
I really enjoyed "Harry, A History" as well. I got it for Christmas and read it that day. There was lots of giggling and a little bit of crying (when she talks about the day the DH came out, the first time she read the books, etc). But of course, it doesn't hurt she shares a lot of the same opinions I have about the books and fandom.

It really felt like I had experienced the fandom all over again without all the angst at the time.

*Goes to re-read* :p

Date: 2009-02-04 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schneefloeckli.livejournal.com
Image

Irony? :D
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Date: 2009-02-04 10:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] reynardine.livejournal.com
I've not been a great fan of King's novels, but his short stories are some of the best literature of the late 20th century. Night Shift is the collection I recommend the most. Short, sharp, subtle prose: horror just doesn't get better. (Although "Jerusalem's Lot" is hilarious if you read it right after Lovecraft's "Rats in the Walls".)

Date: 2009-02-04 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smirkdoctor.livejournal.com
Oh my GOD, Night Shift was when I first discovered King. I was 11. Nightmares of the best kind for months.

I'm just overall in love with him (umm, The Stand and It are favorites), but I think I've read all of his short stories.

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Date: 2009-02-04 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nwkd.livejournal.com
That Bella womb is seriously bugging me out ..

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Date: 2009-02-04 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wendyzski.livejournal.com
Yeah - I clicked on the felt-womb-thing in the comments of your last post.

There is not enough o.O in the world for this.

Date: 2009-02-04 11:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] misslucyjane
I haven't read "Low Men in Yellow Coats" but I suspect it's also the basis for Insomnia (my favorite of his stuff in the last 10 or so years.)

Date: 2009-02-04 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] autumnbelle435.livejournal.com
uck uck uck uck

I need to go bleach my brain now to get rid of that womb image. Why did I click???

On another note, thanks for the Stephen King recommendations. I always meant to read some of his work, but shied away from his novels because I'm a wimp and can't handle horror. So maybe I'll fare better with his short stories.

Date: 2009-02-04 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greedyskunk.livejournal.com
Eyes of the Dragon! There are some genuinely scary bits, but it's a fantasy tale complete with a prince locked in a tower for a crime he did not commit, an evil magician, and one of the most heart-wrenchingly unlucky characters I have ever read. I read this when I was nine and immediately tried to read my aunt's copy of The Dark Half. I got maybe 10 pages in and got so scared that I haven't even attempted to read it more than 20 years later.

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Date: 2009-02-04 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarletsherlock.livejournal.com
I also think that King's best work is his short stories. I didn't like Just After Sunset very much at all, but the two you mentioned, "N." and "Harvey's Dream," were the two stand-outs for me.

If you think you want to get into him, I'd start with 'Salem's Lot. One of his earliest and still the best. But one of my favorite books ever will always be The Stand.

Date: 2009-02-04 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
You know, I thought JAS was a bit weak as well. He still comes up with some really good stories now and then, but the collections as a whole seem to get weaker and weaker as time goes on. These days, a lot of them, I notice, seem to be about marriage (good marriages and bad marriages alike) with some kind of horror concept sprinkled on top, as opposed to the more imaginative stories earlier on. He also doesn't write New England gothic very much anymore.

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SK recommendations

Date: 2009-02-04 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suzeclues12.livejournal.com
I hadn't read anything of his in a long while because....well, I got seriously freaked out by something of S. King's once. I noticed a couple years back he had received some sort of literary award, but didn't exactly get it for literature (was it PEN? The award was something like for having had great sales, an extended career, something like that), so it seemed a kind of back handed way of "honoring" him, but I read the speech he gave and liked what he had to say.

A year or two later, he came out with "Lisle's Story." Uncharacteristically of me, I read it while it was still in hard cover.

Don't get me wrong - it's still definitively S. King - scary, creepy, etc. - but it's sort of like he said, "Oh, you want Lit-ra-chure? I'll just go with really good writing that's more readable that most of your careers have put out." It tells a really true, well written story of a marriage ..... and scares the bejesus out of you at the same time.

It's long. But it's in paperback now (and probably at your local library). I'd recommend it, for sure. Just keep the lights on....

Date: 2009-02-04 11:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moogleybacon.livejournal.com
That... womb thing... ohmygod... I held a wtfface for a good couple of minutes. Or, long enough to worry that it really would freeze that way.

As to the King recommendations, the first King book I ever read was The Stand, and I loved it and would suggest it to anyone who's looking for a good King book. Though, I suppose it could be classified as "endurance horror", as you put it. King does put a good twist into the whole thing, though. :) (Speaking of plague-set books, I just finished reading I Am Legend, and it was really good. Nothing like the movie, but still really, really good.)

Date: 2009-02-04 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Well, by "endurance horror," I mean the kind of story that's like, "omg I'm trapped in/out/up/down here, I have to chew my own hand off to get out." Completely dedicated to the pain and suffering of getting out of a specific situation--stories like "The Gingerbread Girl" or "The Ledge" or "A Very Tight Place"--I haven't read Gerald's Game, but it kind of sounded like one too. The Stand is a bit more epic than that.

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Date: 2009-02-04 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flamingtoilet.livejournal.com
I want to describe this Geode of No to my wife, who is blind. But I cannot find the words.

Date: 2009-02-05 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lylassandra.livejournal.com
A perfect example of how seeming handicaps can be blessings in disguise?

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Date: 2009-02-05 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mumford519.livejournal.com
Off your topic but

I got your book in today! I am so excited! I can't seem to stop using exclamation points!

I'll go now.

Date: 2009-02-05 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Aw, that's great! Hope you enjoy it. : )

Date: 2009-02-05 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] havocs-roman.livejournal.com
Umpteenthing the rec for King's short stories, too. I really enjooyed some of them--the titles of which have completely slipped my mind, but the plots of which have NOT.

After the shameless way SVA tried to profit from JKR's work, I wouldn't touch his books with a ten-foot pole, even if those are his own work. I'm just not good at letting go of grudges, particularly in this sort of situation.

That said, I wouldn't pick up Melissa's book either (seen it in bookshops, never been tempted to even skimming it). Haven't been to TLC - not properly - in years, and the thing that put me off it the most was what I perceived as Melissa's completely sycophantic/patronising behaviour. It could be a horribly mistaken impression, and it's a cruel assessment, but during my, er, last few months there, all I could get from her posts was "Lalala, we love JKR, and we will let her know as much as often as possible, and we will never be critical of anything she says (hehehe, silly Harmonians, as if WE hadn't guessed at JKR's point a mile away), because we want her to keep loving us back, and aren't we the best writer hags ever?"

It all just came off as so blatantly suck-uppy and patronising that I was totally put off. Not nice.

Date: 2009-02-05 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wonderlawn.livejournal.com
Trivia: I listened to Just After Sunset on an 18 hour car trip, and at one point I almost ran out of gas because I was so invested in how fucking CREEPY N. was.

For bonus points, I was listening with my younger brother, who is severely obsessive compulsive. So that was ...interesting.
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