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I think I had a mild hypomanic episode today; I spent the afternoon seemingly hellbent on researching myself stupid. (Wait, can you do that? By definition, can you learn yourself stupid?) Things I found out:

>> "Locusta is the name of a woman thought to be the first documented serial killer. She was a professional poisoner in Rome sometime during the first century A.D.; she also poisoned others in her spare time." Don't ever let them tell you that there weren't female serial killers before Aileen Wuornos, y'all. To wit:

>> "Take Russia's quiet professional, Madame Alexe Popova. Her first murder taking place in 1879, this hit-woman poisoned some three hundred men — other women's husbands and boyfriends — until she was caught and executed by a firing squad in 1909."

>> "Marie-Madeleine-Marguerite d'Aubray, Marquise de Brinvilliers (1630 – 1676) was a French poisoner. Madame de Brinvilliers was notorious for her gallantries and for poisoning her father, brother, and two sisters in order to inherit their property, with the help of her lover army captain Godin de Sainte-Croix. There were also rumors that she had poisoned poor people during her visits in hospitals. She fled but was arrested in Liège. She was forced to confess, sentenced to death and in July 17, 1676, was put to the 'extraordinary question' (forced to drink sixteen pints of water), then was beheaded and burned at a stake."

>> "The Axeman of New Orleans was a serial killer active in New Orleans, Louisiana (and surrounding communities, including Gretna, Louisiana), from May 1918 to October 1919. 'The Axeman' was not caught or identified at the time, although his crime spree stopped as mysteriously as it started." Not female--just interesting. You know how the Wikipedia train is--you get on, you have no idea where you'll end up.

>> "The Servant Girl Annihilator or Austin Axe Murderer is the given name of a notorious serial killer or killers who terrorized Austin, Texas between 1884 and 1885." THE SERVANT GIRL AH-NNIIIII-HI-LA-TORRRRRRRRRRR. They just don't make 'em the way they used to, y'all.

>> "Jane Toppan (1854 - 1938), born Honora Kelly, was an American serial killer who has sometimes been called 'the female Jack the Ripper.' [Note: there is a sad lack of ripping in her actual MO.] She confessed to 31 murders in 1901 but is believed to have been responsible for at least twice that number. She is quoted as saying that her ambition was 'to have killed more people — helpless people — than any other man or woman who ever lived.' "

>> "Peter Stumpp (died 1589) was a German farmer and allegedly a serial killer and cannibal, also known as the Werewolf of Bedburg. In 1589, Stumpp had one of the most lurid and famous werewolf trials in history." I don't know about you, but I'm just kind of impressed that there were werewolf trials, plural.

>> "At the beginning of the 17th century the punishment of witchcraft was still zealously prosecuted by James I of England, and that pious monarch regarded 'warwoolfes' as victims of delusion induced by 'a natural super-abundance of melancholic.' " They're just sad, okay? Also, there's an "Oh no, you is a warwelf!" joke in there that I just can't make come out right.

In less murderous news:

[livejournal.com profile] shoiryu: "Hey, Cleo, can I ask you to pimp this out? [livejournal.com profile] helpweep is the coordination center for assisting WEEP of Canada, an environmental education program that uses non-releasable birds of prey to raise environmental awareness. The program is in serious danger of closing, and if that's the case, all their birds are going to be euthanized. It seems a good enough cause for some attention."

Mrs. Coulter appears. I dunno, she's a little blonder than I wanted, but it is Nicole Kidman, so...

Giant diamond sells for more than $12 million.

Quick gothlit recs from [livejournal.com profile] reynardine, since my internet's being fritzing in and out every five minutes (quite literally): "I've been reading some scary short stories myself from A Treasury of American Horror Stories. One of the creepiest has been Pickman's Model by H.P. Lovecraft. The prose isn't quite as overwrought as some of his other works (and no Cthulu), but this is a very well-crafted horror story. Twilla by Tom Reamy was also very good, as was Desiree's Baby by Kate Chopin." I actually have Chopin's on to-read list, and one of the things I wanted to do was break down some of the less tentacly Lovecraft stories, because the man really does have an excellent grasp of atmosphere when he's not fhtagning it up.


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Date: 2006-10-10 04:44 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] batwrangler.livejournal.com
Other creepy non-Cthulhu Lovecraft: In the Judge's House and The Rats in the Walls. Read 'em and sleep with your lights on.

Date: 2006-10-10 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
"The Picture in the House" is also good. Although I looked over "The Rats in the Walls" the other day, and while it is pretty freakish, I think the narrator does spiral into some of the Elder Gods stuff towards the end. I'm pretty sure it happens in every story, actually, but I'm always sad when it's like, Lovecraft just couldn't resist, could he? Ten pages and he's almost made it out clear, and then he just has to throw a Yuggoth in there or something.

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Date: 2006-10-10 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilitou.livejournal.com
Okay, seriously? Nothing against Germany or anything, but what's with them and the cannibals? They've had so many more cannibal murderers than any other country I know of. Almost every time you run across a cannibal murderer, he's German. WTF is up with that? Note: this may be somewhat of an exaggeration--I mean, how many cannibal murderers do you run across, really?--but it's honestly becoming an automatic connection in my head. I see "cannibal" and I think "Germany". Sorry, Germany. I <3 you anyway.

And much as I think Nicole Kidman looks pretty sweet as Mrs. Coulter, I kind of hate it when they cast stars in movies based on books I love. I can't really put aside the, "That's not Mrs. Coulter. That's Nicole Kidman." Y'know?

Date: 2006-10-10 04:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kokopellinelli
You know, you're not alone in the Cannibalism=Germany thing.

Also, I just have to point out this sentence from the Locusta link:

"Legend claims she was publicly raped by a specially trained giraffe, after which she was torn apart by wild animals, but there is no documented evidence to support this claim." Disturbing.

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Date: 2006-10-10 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divabat.livejournal.com
Isn't Mrs. Coulter supposed to be a redhead? And the second link doesn't work.

Also, a little promotion: The Aerogramme Project (http://divabat.livejournal.com/309769.html), for people to send and receive aerogrammes to anywhere in the world. Hope you find this interesting.

Date: 2006-10-10 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Fixed. : )

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Date: 2006-10-10 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] troubleinchina.livejournal.com
Have you read any of the Uppity Women books? I get the impression that you'd like them. I think your Roman serial killer is in one of them, which is what brought it to mind. I thought the "Uppity Women of Medieval Times" was the best.

Date: 2006-10-10 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I haven't, actually--but the title sounds familiar. Hmm...

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Date: 2006-10-10 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meandstuff.livejournal.com
Is it wrong that the first thing I thought when I saw those 'Nicole as Coulter' pictures was that Mrs Coulter would have better shoes?

Date: 2006-10-10 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ter369.livejournal.com
Regarding the Marquise de Brinvilliers, the entire "affair of the poisons" is a bizarre and fascinating slice of seventeenth century French history. (But it would help to read beyond the wikipedia, since there's more to "the extraordinary question" than drinking sixteen pints of water.)

I have a stack of books covering that period and the personalities involved. I'd like to dramatize the scandal and the trials, but there's no real ending or answer to the hysterical finger-pointing. The investigation simply stopped at the king's command, most likely as the evidence began to mention his mistress. It's not even an ambiguous case, like Jack the Ripper, where dramatizing one theory of a solution offers a pov with a resolution.

Perhaps I'll get my Arthur Miller on, and find a modern parallel to structure the historical fiction.

Date: 2006-10-10 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'd actually read the Arthur Conan Doyle story "The Leather Funnel" a while back, and "forced water-drinking" doesn't really cover the horror of it.

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Date: 2006-10-10 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tenebris.livejournal.com
The Axeman of New Orleans was one of those that scared the CRAP out of me when I was, oh, casually reading about them here (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/index.html). Possibly because, AH GUY WITH AXE AHHHH.

Sometimes my bent for true crime is at odds with the fact that I'm a terrible scaredy-cat.

Date: 2006-10-10 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokifin.livejournal.com
Excuse me? PUBLICLY RAPED BY A SPECIALLY TRAINED GIRAFFE?


wot.

Date: 2006-10-10 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agatha-mandrake.livejournal.com
I don't even want to contemplate the mechanics of that.

Date: 2006-10-10 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angevin2.livejournal.com
"At the beginning of the 17th century the punishment of witchcraft was still zealously prosecuted by James I of England, and that pious monarch regarded 'warwoolfes' as victims of delusion induced by 'a natural super-abundance of melancholic.' " They're just sad, okay?

You may know this, but that actually happens to a character in John Webster's The Duchess of Malfi (http://larryavisbrown.homestead.com/files/Malfi/malfi_home.htm) (the character in question goes mad out of guilt). There's a really cool speech about it:

In those that are possess'd with't there o'erflows
Such melancholy humour, they imagine
Themselves to be transformed into wolves;
Steal forth to churchyards in the dead of night,
And dig dead bodies up: as two nights since
One met the Duke 'bout midnight in a lane
Behind St. Mark's Church, with the leg of a man
Upon his shoulder, and he howl'd fearfully;
Said he was a wolf, only the difference
Was, a wolf's skin was hairy on the outside,
His on the inside; bade them take their swords,
Rip up his flesh, and try: straight, I was sent for,
And having minister'd unto him, found his grace
Very well recover'd.


I think you'd love that play, actually, if you haven't read it; it's brilliant.

Date: 2006-10-11 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nimlotbradamant.livejournal.com
EEEEEEEEEEEE 1066 AND ALL THAT QUOTE!!!

...*ahem*. May I snitch your icon?

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Date: 2006-10-10 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beckyh2112.livejournal.com
The one Lovecraft story to ever frighten me was "The Color Out of Space". I distinctly remember hiding in my closet for most of the afternoon after reading it.

I've read a lot of other stuff by him, just because he's gloriously fun in his overwrought way. And we play Call of Cthulhu around my house. "At the Mountains of Madness" is a nice Anarctic travelogue before you get into horror and alien-ness. "Dreams in the Witch-House" is one of his better science-fiction pieces, as well as being quite enjoyably atmospheric.

Date: 2006-10-10 06:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foresthouse.livejournal.com
Unrelated to the above, but re: The Tudors, there appears to be a 5 minute "first look" video on Yahoo (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/scp_v3/viewer/index.php?pid=16685&rn=245724&cl=932959&ch=932933). But I can't get it to work. Hrmph.

Date: 2006-10-10 06:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] whiski_sour
Locusta holds a special place in my spleen. She really does.

Most female serial killers tend to be black widows or angels of death. There's the is one lady (bless it if I can't remember her name) who not only killed a few men, but actually convinced at least one other to commit suicide for her. I'm gonna have to look her up in my serial killer encyclopedia. She's one of my favorites.

Um...I imagine it really isn't very appropriate to have favorite serial killers, is it?

Date: 2006-10-10 06:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennnk.livejournal.com
ok so I'm not up on my gothic lit & saw "mrs. coulter" & thought "they're making a movie about the adam's apple? that awful shrew? Ann Coulter?

Date: 2006-10-11 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kateshort.livejournal.com
You weren't the only one. :) If anyone could figure out how to play HER, it'd be Kidman...


Date: 2006-10-10 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenofattolia.livejournal.com
Re Kidman as Coulter: that is a really hideous wig.

Date: 2006-10-10 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fluffers.livejournal.com
I'm not sure how I feel about Mrs Coulter's yellowy-tan outfit, but I'm in total love with the dark red suit (even if I would have done the fur a bit bigger). I saw that outfit a couple weeks ago and I think it's so spot on. It's so very much the style I imagined. Now if, in whichever movie she's in the caves, they have her in this (http://www.hisdarkmaterials.org/photograms/v/fan_art/album08/mrs_coulter.jpg.html), I'll be a happy camper. I swear this artist read my mind.

Date: 2006-10-10 07:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lauri8.livejournal.com
You may have run aross the title Victorian Murderesses (http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?qwork=7035356&matches=57&qsort=r) already, but if you haven't, I have a notion you'll like it. I was lucky enough to take a sociology class that used this as a text, and many of the stories have stuck with me.

Date: 2006-10-10 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Ooo, awesome.

Date: 2006-10-10 09:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bubonicplague.livejournal.com
Pfft what makes Lovecraft great is his overwrought prose and deliberately antiquated language. Yes, every story follows the same basic plot - establish literate, rational narrator, make reader think the narrator's rationality is stupid because there are obviously omg creepy things, deliver last line in which narrator realizes there are, indeed, omg creepy things.

It's a genius tactic, really, to have the unreliable narrator be more sane than you are. His language expresses what isolationist, bookish people his characters are. Fully logical and overly stuffy, they draw the reader into the belief that science and literature are meaningless. Because...well, Cthulhu and shit.

The Outsider, Pickman's Model, The Shadow out of Time, The Colour out of Space, At the Mountains of Madness. Those are the best and most stunning examples of this technique. And yes, he always uses the last line for emphasis such that the reader can say "I told you so" to the logical presentation of the story.

Date: 2006-10-10 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny0.livejournal.com
Because...well, Cthulhu and shit.

This will be my new excuse for everything.

I've been a big Lovecraft fan for a while -- my parents had an anthology of horror/fantasy that I was fascinated by as a kid -- and I think Lovecraft really did it for me because, like you're saying, we start out in the real world trying to rationalise all the creepy shit that's happening. The stories that took place in different universes with aliens or whatever were never as mind-blowingly scary as they wanted to be because dude -- maybe that stuff happens all the time in a different universe.

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Date: 2006-10-10 10:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] girlalmighty
Those linked serial killer stories are both appalling and fascinating, so I'll be running around repeating them to all my housemates now while learning myself into a stupor.

I'm so excited that they finally seem to be working on HDM. It looks like Lyra is a total unknown, which is both wonderful and terrifying, and I really wanted Kidman for Mrs Coulter - so thank you for the pics. It is disappointing that they're keeping her blonde, since Coulter's... not blonde at all. But even so, I think her acting will make up for it.

If anyone's going to know I suspect it will be you, so I'll pose the question - do you know anything about Paul Bettany being in the movie? The site you linked to said he's in the cast, but IMDB's got nothin' for me.

Date: 2006-10-10 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
He may be Lord Asriel, but I'm not sure.

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Date: 2006-10-10 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yarha.livejournal.com
Since I know nothing about the books, and it's early in the morning here and I'm sans coffee, my first thought was "Nicole Kidman as...Anne..Coulter..whaaaaaa?" Which, you know, could happen. Then I thought, "Wait, Mrs. Coulter. Anne Coulter's not married. Perhaps Nicole Kidman ...plays...her lesbian...spouse?" Which, you know...

Yarha, It's a Funny Ol' World

Date: 2006-10-10 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny0.livejournal.com
Re: The Marquise of Brinvilliers -- a really excellent book (as in, it's one of the few books I feel the need to revisit every so often) is "The Oracle Glass" by Judith Merkle Riley. It explores the underground, female-centric network of witches, fortune-tellers, and especially poisoners in 17th century Paris. The author's done really accurate research not just on the historical people who feature in the book -- including Brinvilliers -- but the atmosphere of Paris at the time as well. It definitely satisfies the history geek in me, but is also an ace mystery/romance/coming-of-age type book.

Date: 2006-10-10 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Okay, I have to get hold of that.

Date: 2006-10-10 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyrainverse.livejournal.com
Oh man, I thought you meant *Ann* Coulter, and damn was I confused.

For some reason, I always thought Laurie Holden (Marita Covarrubius) would make a good Mrs. Coulter. I felt she had a nice cold, detatched quality about her. Or maybe I'm still too attached to the X-Files.

Date: 2006-10-10 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entilzhamorden.livejournal.com
Pickman's Model has one of the best closing lines of any horror short story ever.

Date: 2006-10-10 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falco-conlon.livejournal.com
I always thought Mrs Coulter was supposed to be sort of exotic looking...like dark hair, dark eyes, that sort of thing.

Date: 2006-10-10 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamapduck.livejournal.com
Can you point me at the Harry Potter Mary Sue from which "I think I might be Queen of the Universe" came? I want to show it to a friend. I told him I was going to order one of the stickers when I scrapbook my wedding photos and the back story was too hard to do justice to. I checked the Harry Potter tags, but didn't find it.

Date: 2006-10-10 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Ahh, it was under the Cleo Sue tag: http://cleolinda.livejournal.com/314893.html

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Date: 2006-10-10 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evilbearhunter.livejournal.com
There's this book I read, Little Red Riding Hood Uncloaked (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Little-Red-Riding-Hood-Uncloaked/dp/0465041264) that talks about a lot of the symbolism and how wolves were viewed at different times and stuff. Anyway, she has a whole chapter on werewolf trials. The whole book is pretty good.

Date: 2006-10-10 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Ooo, I'm gonna have to look into that.
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