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Good news and bad news: the tornado bypassed us with little more than half an hour of lightning and some hard rain. Unfortunately, it turns out that nothing will ever make me happy, because my reaction was "Worst. Tornado. EVER." My sister has been bringing home loaves upon loaves of bread, including ciabatta, baguette, and Pullman loaf, because she's in bread-baking class now at the Culinard. This would be an extremely good thing except for the fact that we can't figure out how to eat it all. My mother didn't get one job she was looking at, but it turned out that the job was kind of sketch--I mean, it was on the up-and-up and all, but it turns out that some of the employees aren't entirely happy there. She's got another job offer she's looking at, but--given the kind of institution it is--they move slow as Christmas. (All will be revealed if she gets the job.) Meanwhile, I'm actually looking at a job at the same place, and it terrifies me. This is the kind of neurotic you're dealing with, folks.

Also, I went out with the Lovely Emily and the boys and saw V for Vendetta again. It was funny, because I was the only one who had already seen it, and I'm not sure anyone else even had any idea what it was about. Like, not even that it was the least bit political. We didn't talk about the movie at all before we went, either. Happily, I think everyone liked it and was very affected by it. Also, stuff blew up good.

A meme I'd been meaning to do that was making the rounds of writers' blogs: Ten Things I Have Learned About Writing. (I think it started here, with Elizabeth Bear; I heard about it on John Scalzi's blog.) I feel like I should justify myself a little bit here--well, number one, anyone who writes anything could do this meme. I'm just saying, movie parodies are a pretty recent thing for me; I grew up wanting to write Great Novels. I had a story mauled beyond recognition published in a teacher's magazine when I was eight; in high school, I won a couple of short story prizes, and the winning stories were published in Merlyn's Pen, leading to exactly five (5) fan letters, including one that said, "I didn't really like your story, but the teacher said we had to write to someone in the magazine"; in college I won the Hackney Short Story Award (I think this is what it was called. "Hackney" was definitely involved) and was then asked to judge another short story contest, which was... an experience; I finished college on a writing scholarship; and I had a scattering of poems published in small literary magazines along the way. And then I hit 25 and the parody thing comes along, and suddenly I'm "Cleolinda Jones, American humourist," which I love, but which is a little like introducing someone as "Michael Jordan, baseball player." I mean, not that I'm the Michael Jordan of anything, but--I've been doing this longer than you might realize, is what I'm trying to say.


Ten things I have learned about writing:

1. You have to do it first, at the earliest and innermost level, for yourself. Because if you aren't writing for your own pleasure, why the hell are you doing it?

2. You have to do it secondly, at a later and more external level, for the people who are reading it, or it's just an exercise in self-indulgence. (Which in its own way can be fine. I have things I've written for myself that I've never shown anyone else. Diaries, for example. But I know that this was the purpose of them.) You shouldn't be a slave to other people's expectations, but there's a point at which you have to consider whether what you're writing makes sense to other people and how effective it is at what you want it to do. Because, whether it feels intentional to you or not, everything you write is trying to achieve an effect, even if that effect is, "To make people think I have written breathtaking prose and give me lots of awards." On a more practical level, is your horror story actually scaring people? Does your comedy make them laugh? Does your thriller keep them guessing, or did they figure out the villain somewhere around page fifteen? There is a point where it doesn't matter what you think of your work--you want to be happy with it, yes, but beyond that, is it working for most readers?

3. I say most, because it will never work for all of them. I've been saying things like this a lot lately, mostly because I'm trying to hammer it into my own perfectionist head. Observations on the nature of criticism, or, the two kinds of reader reviews I have gotten in the last week:

I don't like this as much as your other 15Ms. It's too short and doesn't go into stuff as much.

I like this better than your other 15Ms. It's shorter and doesn't resort to wacky tangents.


In conclusion: take the audience into consideration, yes, but write the way you want. If you try to change for other people, but you have a sneaking feeling that you're doing something wrong, listen to it, because you'll never make everyone happy anyway. (See also #4 on Bear's list: "Can't please nobody if you try to please everybody.")

4. You write what you want to read. You can't write something you wouldn't want to read, or if you do, it won't be very good. This may not make much sense until you apply it to the "I know! I'll write a crappy thriller/children's book/romance novel and make a pile of money!" mindset. No, you won't, because if you don't respect the genre you're bothering to write, it's a waste of your time and everyone else's. No one wants to read a romance novel by a writer who thinks she's too good for romance novels, because that condescension seeps through: you can't hold your nose and type at the same time. I know, because (back when I was a teenage culture snob--the harshest kind) I tried to write a romance novel, and I couldn't get past the first three words. But then, I had only read one very bad romance novel in my entire life, and it was about an English lord who raped a feisty Viking girl and it just happened to turn into really hot sex, multiple times, and was equal parts hilarity and offensive trash. And I'm going to try to write one of those for the money? Yeah, I lasted about thirty seconds on that one. And even with parody? You've got to love your subject enough to know what you're talking about, even if you despise certain examples of it.

5. You can't do it for the money, period. Because you're not going to make any. Or rather, I should say, there's no guarantee you're going to make any. If you're very lucky, you'll be able to pay the bills by writing. When you think about the numbers, J.K. Rowling has literally won the lottery. And you can hope for money like hers--God knows I do--but you can't expect it or depend on it or make it the reason you want to write in the first place. You've got to love writing enough that you'd do it even if you never sold a single book--because you're going to have to slog through years of practice before you do. I actually didn't get a book contract until I had given up, for the moment, on writing for publication and had just started writing for the hell of it.

6. "Where do you get your ideas?" is the wrong question to ask. The question you want to ask is, "How do you get the idea to play out once you have it?" It's like asking Rumplestiltskin where he got the straw. It's not the straw, it's the spinning--and anyone might provide the straw. Inspiration is generally pretty random, really. I was rereading Stephen King's Everything's Eventual last night, and he mentions that he wrote the title story after having a random flash of someone dumping change into the sewer. A lot of writers say they use the old standby What if? for their ideas ("What if a boy was dumping change into the sewer?"), but I submit that the actual spinning of the story happens through a different line of questioning: Why? and What kind of? Why would the boy dump change into the sewer? Because he's got a job where he's required to "begin the week broke and end the week broke." What kind of person would end up in this kind of job? What kind of job is it? The answer to those questions is the twist, and the heart, of the story.

7. What kind of person? is actually the most important question, I think. Once you start exploring the characters and the situation they've gotten into--and how being who they are got them into it in the first place--all you really have to do is follow them around. For those of you who read "The Black Ribbon" (which I'm still working on with hopes of getting it published, which is why there haven't been any online updates), you'll know that there are three major characters: a man with an unusual job (*cough*), an older friend of his who is a doctor, and the doctor's daughter. I started out sometime in 2004 with the question What kind of man would end up doing this? And that was how I figured out how he got started doing it, why he keeps doing it, and why he does the job the way he does it--that is, without mercy. (I don't think I've actually revealed his backstory yet, but it was set to go up in the next chapter.) And gradually I ended up asking the same questions of the other two characters--what kind of man would be friends with a man like this? If I want the daughter to have a specific, unconventional reaction to all this--to be somewhat ahead of her time, calm and feminist and professional--what would her upbringing have been like, her recent past? Once you figure out what kind of people would be doing the things you want them to do now, you can figure out what they'll be doing in the future.

8. Keep it simple. I read Lolita and The English Patient within a short period of time as a teenager and started gilding sentences like Faberge eggs. Which was great, except that I didn't have anything happening in those sentences; I was too obsessed with crafting rose windows. Sometimes, you just need to say what's happening and move on--say it, not "articulate" it or "elucidate" it. Good writing isn't about using the pretty words; it's about using the right words, which are sometimes pretty but are often the unobtrusive ones. There are other things to consider than just the depths of the thesaurus--rhythm, pacing, tone, the way a word fits into a sentence like an egg in the cup of your hand. Once you've been doing it long enough, the best sentences will come from a subconscious, unselfconscious place, as if on autopilot, rather than you having to construct them like so much architectural gingerbread. And to do be able to do that, you have to...

9. Read. Read everything, read anything. Read the Great Works of Literature, sure, but read magazines and nonfiction and poetry and history and mythology and biographies and Ripping Good Yarns. Read Shakespeare; read pulp fiction. Read for research, read for style, read for pleasure. You'll get many of your ideas here, the detail to back those ideas up, and a sense of the words you'll need to sketch them out.

10. And finally: writing advice will always contradict itself ("Write what you want. But only if it works for the reader. But only if it's what you want"). It's up to you to develop judgment, to figure out when to zig and when to zag.


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Date: 2006-04-09 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scornedsaint.livejournal.com
I like that writing list. It's very helpful.

And, since nothing will apparently make you happy, how about a joke. Why don't the Amish waterski? The horses would drown.

Date: 2006-04-09 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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me neither.

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Re: me neither.

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Date: 2006-04-09 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ter369.livejournal.com
6. "Where do you get your ideas?" is the wrong question to ask.

People at Q&As always ask that. Unless they're ME. I ask, "What idea or image began (this particular story)?" There's an answer to that question, even if it's, "I had no other contracts that year and no other income, so I had to write (it)."


Date: 2006-04-09 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
See, I love finding that kind of thing out, but yeah, you have to ask for specific examples. There's no "where" in general. One of the things I love about Stephen King's story collections is that he will generally put some kind of "Here's where this came from" note at the beginning of the story or the end of the book or *something.* I live for that kind of thing, the way I live for blooper reels on DVDs.

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Date: 2006-04-09 05:58 pm (UTC)
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You're right.

Date: 2006-04-09 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allthelivesofme.livejournal.com
The list is great-- I especially agree with number 9. Dad told it to me a lot when I was starting out, saying that "There are things you'll learn just from reading other people's books that you will never learn in even the best writing classes."

Date: 2006-04-09 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] particle-person.livejournal.com
This would be an extremely good thing except for the fact that we can't figure out how to eat it all.

Anyone who's ever planted tomatoes will sympathize. The first few fresh tomatoes are great, but pretty soon you're giving baskets to the neighbors.

Date: 2006-04-09 07:05 pm (UTC)
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Better than zuchinni. After a few days you're leaving them in people's unlocked cars!

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Date: 2006-04-09 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] christwise.livejournal.com
Fantastic list. Especially number 6. I keep trying to remember when my brain said "you know what would be a good opening image in a film? Dead bodies hanging in trees. Shit! I'll put that in my script!" I think the answer may help the therapist I know I'm going to need eventually.

I hear you on 8 too. I read Terry Pratchett and feel the need to get clever. Hemingway, and it's all short and punchy and gangrenous. And then I read Nabokov and I'm in the fetal position on my bed wailing "I can never EVER do that! WAAHHHHHH!"

Date: 2006-04-09 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cassildra.livejournal.com
I hear you on all of these points. I just.. need to get up off my butt and start writing again. >_>

Date: 2006-04-09 07:16 pm (UTC)
elbales: (Girl Reading-Perugini)
From: [personal profile] elbales
You can freeze bread. Just wrap it really tightly. A good cookbook should have more detailed directions.

Wonderful "10 things" list. Thank you for sharing it.

Date: 2006-04-09 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] punkiejeannien.livejournal.com
dude, send some of that bread my way!

congrats on the tornado bypassing, and it's probably for the best that your mom didn't end up with that job. I've found it's easier to not have money and not hate your job than have to do something that makes you miserable every day.

as for slow as christmas... it's a major university, isn't it?! (har)

Date: 2006-04-09 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] particle-person.livejournal.com
as for slow as christmas... it's a major university, isn't it?! (har)

I'm betting on a government agency.

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Date: 2006-04-09 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roseredhoofbeat.livejournal.com
OMG BREAD I'D LOVE SOME.

You can mail bread, right?

This could be a BUSINESS, dude! Ship Sister Girl's food out to your adoring public!

Date: 2006-04-09 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotusbiosm.livejournal.com
Send the bread to me, I'll eat it. mmm, bread
Also, you are a very good writer. I love that line about "it's not the straw, it's the spinning".

Date: 2006-04-09 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lea724.livejournal.com
because she's in bread-baking class now at the Culinard.

Oh, man. That would be my dream class. *loves bread*

Date: 2006-04-09 09:17 pm (UTC)
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yeah really, i'd never want to leave that class.

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Date: 2006-04-09 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bardintraining.livejournal.com
Get sister-girl to make bread pudding with the leftover bread.
And if it's an herb-y kind of bread, for some reason I thought of experimenting with making a kind of savoury French toast. Which...sounds gross now that I've put it into words. French toast has no reason to live unless it is covered with melted butter, sugar and copious amounts of syrup.
Huh. In any case, I feel like trying to make bread pudding now.
http://bread.allrecipes.com/az/BreadPuddingII.asp

Or you could freeze it for later or go feed the birds or something. I once saw an entire bagel disappear in one gulp on account of a massive and agressive seagull. You could also make homemade croutons if you have a lot of bread going stale.

Good luck with everything, and I hope your stomach's in better form today.

Date: 2006-04-09 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bardintraining.livejournal.com
*drooling*
http://www.pastrywiz.com/dailyrecipes/recipes/477.htm
Whuh...

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Date: 2006-04-09 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] georgie21.livejournal.com
Glad you escaped the tornado, and how's the stomach thing going?

Very helpful writing meme, too

Date: 2006-04-09 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Stomach has calmed down, which was good. I think it was something unpleasant I ate--I was fine by the next evening.

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Date: 2006-04-09 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrryblssmninja.livejournal.com
Awesome list.

Date: 2006-04-09 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cygnus.livejournal.com
Anyone who has read your journal for any amount of time can see that your dreams of writing Great Novels are within your grasp. I've loved your M15Ms, but the things you write in your journal are true in the most real/painful/joyful/lifelike sense. Yes, you can make people laugh, and laugh often, but listen: you're just starting out. Just look at what you've accomplished in your 25 years. Lookit! A lot of us do and can't help but think you're the cat's meow.

I love it when you make us laugh... but I'll love it even more when you flat-out amaze yourself with what you can and have yet to do.

Date: 2006-04-09 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spooke.livejournal.com
I don't know if you've seen it already, but CJ Cherryh has some articles (http://cherryh.com/www/advice.htm) on writing (http://cherryh.com/www/charac.htm) online (http://cherryh.com/www/antique1.htm) that I found interesting.

WARNING: MAIN WEBSITE WILL MOLEST EYES.

Date: 2006-04-09 10:49 pm (UTC)
celli: Casey from Sports Night at the anchor desk, writing (Casey writing)
From: [personal profile] celli
Ah, I like the advice. :)

Date: 2006-04-09 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tenebris.livejournal.com
I read your advice this morning with a big smile on my face, and just re-read it and got the same feeling. It's excellent, really and truly; and--this isn't meant to be stalkery, but I read your "best of" then just decided to re-read the whole journal--having recently reread this journal, I find it fits in exactly with what you've been saying all along. Bravo, Cleo!

Also, congrats on being missed by the tornado! And good luck to you and your Mom on the job hunt!

As for the bread--freeze it? Or, lesse, give away complimentary "Yay Spring!" loaves to the neighborhood. Just to be nice. ;)

Date: 2006-04-10 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Aww, thanks. : )

Date: 2006-04-10 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tifaria.livejournal.com
Wow. That list kinda blew my mind, in a good way. I've always enjoyed writing, but as more of a hobby or something to do on the side from my visual art. However, I've realized that I really enjoy things that are a mixture of the two, especially comics, and I know that I'm going to have to start taking writing more seriously if I ever want to complete one of my own. Er, my point is, everything you said really just.. makes sense. Thanks for sharing. :)

Date: 2006-04-10 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
You're welcome. : ) And you know, the thing about taking writing seriously is that you kind of have to do that zig/zag thing--you have to know when to take it seriously and when to have fun with it. It's kind of like, you have to decide what you want to be, and then go ahead and act like you already *are*--for example, act like a professional (in whatever field) now, rather than wait for some day when you're suddenly successful to get your business etiquette on, if that makes any sense.

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Date: 2006-04-10 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falco-conlon.livejournal.com
fiesty viking girl hmmm?

I like the ones about time traveling highlander lords who go to 21st century maine to find their one true love...

mostly because I live in maine.

Date: 2006-04-10 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edda.livejournal.com
Well, seriously. I understand. Why did all the good time-traveling-to-modern-times fantasy happen in New York or California? HellOOO! There's 48 other states to consider!

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Date: 2006-04-10 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edda.livejournal.com
This is quite good. Thank you!

Date: 2006-04-10 02:32 am (UTC)
ext_3472: Sauron drinking tea. (Default)
From: [identity profile] maggiebloome.livejournal.com
You're right about the writing what you love. I had to write a gothic story for school once. It started out being all dark and stormy night but it ended up being more like Discworld. I just can't make myself write a thing without humour, unless there is a very specific idea in my mind which is sad, and that will probably be very short.

Date: 2006-04-10 02:49 am (UTC)
ext_51796: (write_flapper)
From: [identity profile] reynardine.livejournal.com
Good meme. Took it, passed it on. Liked the points you made, especially about keeping things simple.

Date: 2006-04-10 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sorchar.livejournal.com
Take some of the bread and feed some ducks. It's good for you and the ducks love it.
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