The day after
May. 24th, 2010 11:42 amSo, I'm still thinking about Lost. Yes, we're still on that. You want me to go back to talking about Twilight? Because we can do that.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
One of the defining things about the show is that we would have a major paradigm-shift every season or so--it would continue to redefine what the show was "actually" about. What it was "actually" about was, of course, the people and the weird island that threw them together, even though at times the show was "primarily" about one or more of the following: 1) people trying to get rescued from a simple plane crash; 2) people trying not to get killed by a mysterious group of hostiles and/or polar bears, 3) the secretive, experimental Dharma Initiative, which also involved a weird feud between two leaders who wanted to kill each other's daughters for some obscure reason; 4) the future, which we thought was the past, in which the Oceanic Six were desperately trying to get back to the island; 5) the '70s; 6) even more time travel; 7) parallel universes; 8) some weird temple that we'd been hearing about for six years, now with new characters, who we didn't actually care about but spent half the season with anyway; 9) Jacob, Samuel (GUYS! HE HAS A NAME!) and the Glowcave of Humanity; 10) Jack's daddy issues. Again. And every season or so, the show would wrench the focus ninety degrees and go, "NOW it's about Dharma! NOW it's about getting off the island! NOW it's about going back! NOW it's about the future! NOW it's about the past! NOW it's about a side universe! ARE YOU SHOCKED YET OR WHAT."
Don't get me wrong, I really appreciated that. I didn't get a whole lot of TV that was willing to blow my mind, or at least attempt to do so, on a regular basis. I still think the single best moment of the show was Scarybeard Jack shouting, "KATE! WE HAVE TO GO BACK!" even as everyone was finally rescued, something I didn't even think would happen until the end of the series, and suddenly everything we all, characters and viewers alike, had wanted the whole time was turned on its head. You could actually feel the show turn on its axis at that moment.
What I got out of the finale (which I did like), though, was a final readjustment of, "None of those paradigm shifts individually were important; it was about the people and their time on the island as a whole." And it's hard to hear that the things they made us think were important--Walt being "special," the necessity of Claire raising Aaron, the Numbers--either weren't important all along, or the showrunners just said, eh, to hell with it. They're not going to tell us the deep inner workings of Dharma or the statue or the glowcave (™
snacky) or even the Sideways Afterlife, and on one level that kind of sucks, in a "Good job biting off more than you could chew" way, but I'm willing to forgive that because of the last shot of the show. There was a thematic unity--the show ended the way it began. There was a wholeness of vision there. I can respect that, no matter what I thought of the various balls they dropped along the way--they had a vision, and maybe they didn't entirely pull it off, but so help me, they tried. As NPR's "'Lost' Is The Most Important Show Of The Decade. Why? Because It's Doomed" puts it,
This is a show that swung for the fences--and whiffed a number of times. (I can forgive The Paulo and Nikki Episode as being a goof on the level of--what was that Xander-centric episode of Buffy, one of the few I actually saw? "The Zeppo"? As a similar exercise in departing from the usual perspective, once the showrunners realized we didn't care about Paulo and Nikki's insertion into the overall storyline. The Bai Ling Tattoo Episode? Yeah, to hell with that. I don't think Cuse and Lindelof will ever stop taking shit for that one.)
What I'm getting at--what I'm getting out of this--is that, as a writer, I'm taking some hope and encouragement from this. Because I started reading over my drafts this weekend and I got really, really scared. Not because my vision is too big and grand and no one will understaaaaaand me--the opposite, rather, which is that I'm scared that these drafts are kind of crappy and small and insignificant. I'm not saying we should all try to emulate the outsize crazygonuts complexity of Lost--the doomed complexity that the show itself perhaps couldn't live up to--but rather, to swing for the fences. Because Lost put it all out there, and you may think it succeeded or you may think it failed, but even if it failed, it had a damn good time doing it, and I had a damn good time watching it, and even at its most frustrating, people loved it and were engaged by it. Which is to say, if I can't guarantee myself that I can succeed--if this is what failure looks like, I'd rather fail big than fail small.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
One of the defining things about the show is that we would have a major paradigm-shift every season or so--it would continue to redefine what the show was "actually" about. What it was "actually" about was, of course, the people and the weird island that threw them together, even though at times the show was "primarily" about one or more of the following: 1) people trying to get rescued from a simple plane crash; 2) people trying not to get killed by a mysterious group of hostiles and/or polar bears, 3) the secretive, experimental Dharma Initiative, which also involved a weird feud between two leaders who wanted to kill each other's daughters for some obscure reason; 4) the future, which we thought was the past, in which the Oceanic Six were desperately trying to get back to the island; 5) the '70s; 6) even more time travel; 7) parallel universes; 8) some weird temple that we'd been hearing about for six years, now with new characters, who we didn't actually care about but spent half the season with anyway; 9) Jacob, Samuel (GUYS! HE HAS A NAME!) and the Glowcave of Humanity; 10) Jack's daddy issues. Again. And every season or so, the show would wrench the focus ninety degrees and go, "NOW it's about Dharma! NOW it's about getting off the island! NOW it's about going back! NOW it's about the future! NOW it's about the past! NOW it's about a side universe! ARE YOU SHOCKED YET OR WHAT."
Don't get me wrong, I really appreciated that. I didn't get a whole lot of TV that was willing to blow my mind, or at least attempt to do so, on a regular basis. I still think the single best moment of the show was Scarybeard Jack shouting, "KATE! WE HAVE TO GO BACK!" even as everyone was finally rescued, something I didn't even think would happen until the end of the series, and suddenly everything we all, characters and viewers alike, had wanted the whole time was turned on its head. You could actually feel the show turn on its axis at that moment.
What I got out of the finale (which I did like), though, was a final readjustment of, "None of those paradigm shifts individually were important; it was about the people and their time on the island as a whole." And it's hard to hear that the things they made us think were important--Walt being "special," the necessity of Claire raising Aaron, the Numbers--either weren't important all along, or the showrunners just said, eh, to hell with it. They're not going to tell us the deep inner workings of Dharma or the statue or the glowcave (™
Going forward with a show, raising question after question after question, asking people to be patient about a monster for five-plus seasons, knowing that it's all going to get you a kick in the teeth from your own adoring fans someday because you have taken on more than you will ever be able to really explain? That's audacious. [...] It's been done with love and attention and the evident and ceaseless passion of true, red-blooded nerds, and in the end, it's going to leave holes, because it has to, because what they bit off is just that big.
This is a show that swung for the fences--and whiffed a number of times. (I can forgive The Paulo and Nikki Episode as being a goof on the level of--what was that Xander-centric episode of Buffy, one of the few I actually saw? "The Zeppo"? As a similar exercise in departing from the usual perspective, once the showrunners realized we didn't care about Paulo and Nikki's insertion into the overall storyline. The Bai Ling Tattoo Episode? Yeah, to hell with that. I don't think Cuse and Lindelof will ever stop taking shit for that one.)
What I'm getting at--what I'm getting out of this--is that, as a writer, I'm taking some hope and encouragement from this. Because I started reading over my drafts this weekend and I got really, really scared. Not because my vision is too big and grand and no one will understaaaaaand me--the opposite, rather, which is that I'm scared that these drafts are kind of crappy and small and insignificant. I'm not saying we should all try to emulate the outsize crazygonuts complexity of Lost--the doomed complexity that the show itself perhaps couldn't live up to--but rather, to swing for the fences. Because Lost put it all out there, and you may think it succeeded or you may think it failed, but even if it failed, it had a damn good time doing it, and I had a damn good time watching it, and even at its most frustrating, people loved it and were engaged by it. Which is to say, if I can't guarantee myself that I can succeed--if this is what failure looks like, I'd rather fail big than fail small.
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Date: 2010-05-24 04:50 pm (UTC)/never watched lost
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:04 pm (UTC)(What. I couldn't help myself. The Internets made me do it.)
(Also? Patently untrue. Johnny Cash was the best, duh. But still! For the lulz!)
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Date: 2010-05-24 04:51 pm (UTC)Sept. 22, 2004 — May 23, 2010
“Lost,” age six seasons, passed away with dignity on the evening of May 23, 2010. Memorial services were held a half hour later on “Jimmy Kimmel Live” with Jimmy Kimmel officiating. Special music was performed by Michael Giacchino. There will be no burial as its body of work has been donated to the Internet for extensive study.
Born Sept. 22, 2004, “Lost” was the brainchild of Damon Lindelof, J. J. Abrams, Jeffrey Lieber and Carlton Cuse, et al., all of whom survive, unlike most of their characters.
“Lost” has captivated, confused, irritated and infuriated millions of viewers the world over. We, its family of fans, have laughed with Hurley; loved with Jin and Sun; contemplated life, the universe and everything with Jack and Locke; hated on Kate; and drooled over shirtless Sawyer. We’ve flashed back, flashed forward and even flashed sideways, but unfortunately, never flashed by Sayid. (Drat.) We’ve been thrown for loops, made speechless, gasped in shock and blown away (but not literally, like Arzt and Ilana).
“Lost” leaves a legacy of life lessons: live together, die alone; it’s never too late for a second chance; no man (or woman) is an island; DUI charges will get you killed off; never mess with unstable dynamite.
In addition to its creators, “Lost” is survived by Elizabeth Mitchell of “V,” Ian Somerhalder of “The Vampire Diaries,” Daniel Dae Kim of “Hawaii 5-O,” sibling series “Fringe,” also created by Abrams, and the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42.
It was preceded in death by the Dharma Initiative, most of the passengers of Oceanic Flight 815, a host of Others, Jacob, the Man in Black, “Felicity” and “Alias.”
In lieu of flowers, the producers ask that memorial donations be made in the form of DVD preorders.
ABC Studios was in charge of the arrangements.
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Date: 2010-05-24 04:52 pm (UTC):-)
Were you the one who started calling him the Locke-less Monster?
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:01 pm (UTC)I have to say, watching Lost's "failure" gives me a new appreciation for what JK Rowling managed to pull off working all by herself for 10 years. I mean, HP was as complicated as Lost, and she DID pull it almost all together.
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:14 pm (UTC)That was such an amazing moment, I agree. And I still love Jack's squeaky "WE HAVE TO GO BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!"
I like this post.
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:25 pm (UTC)I was saying to one of my coworkers how pissed I would have been if someone stood there on screen doing a huge infodump: "And this one... well, this is what THAT meant, and this... we meant THAT..." and so on.
I like that it was only part of the story we saw. The rest goes on without us.
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:20 pm (UTC)I have the same opinion of the Paolo/Nikki and Tattoo episodes. Paolo/Nikki seemed to know and accept that it was kind of pointless while Tattoo was playing everything utterly straight.
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:42 pm (UTC)The Secret Origin of Jack's Tats was pointless, and rather ugly. "O hai screw ur customs so I can has bitchin ink, k?" "K! Hope ai don gets kilt!"
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:22 pm (UTC)All the sci-fi trappings? I just kind of shrug. Yeah, it would be nice if we got an explanation, but for me, I'm satisfied with Dharma being just another presence on the island, trying to tap into its power, going all the way back to the people the MiB was working with to build the frozen donkey wheel. And the Glowcave? Seriously, how the hell were they going to come up with the pseudoscience to explain that? "Um, it glows with the light of the world and there's um a cork for the bad and um, electromagnetism!" I just don't think there's ever going to a good explanation for pseudo-science, so I just kind of handwave and go with it. But I realize not everyone can do that.
And even though, for the most part, I loved it, there are still some balls that I think they dropped. I get why the Walt storyline had to go, due to the actor, but I still think he and Michael should have been in the church at the end. And the numbers! THE NUMBERS! There needed to be some real explanation about the numbers. And... I'm sure there's a few more things I can complain about, but those are my big two. :D
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:34 pm (UTC)George Lucas tried to do that with the Force. It failed. Epically. For me, it's the go-to example of why people shouldn't try to explain that sort of thing.
(I like the Numbers remaining an enigma for just that reason too. XD)
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:24 pm (UTC)The main things I wanted to know about were Walt being "special," the necessity of Claire raising Aaron, the Numbers and WTF was the huge monster in the trees and why a Polar Bear.
So basically things that were important early on they never answered.
So in all seriousness, IS EVERYONE DEAD? Was that the point? That they are all dead?
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:38 pm (UTC)I guess I'm just thrown off by how unimportant the Dharma Initiative turned out to be. I mean, it ended up having a big effect, but it's still kind of...incidental. Ultimately it wasn't as essential to the heart of the story as I thought it might have been, I guess. It's one of those things that they made us think was important, as you said, and ended up only being secondarily important...but it's not quite a red herring. I guess they had to pick the biggest themes and focus on them rather than trying to do too much, but...it's a little weird.
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:42 pm (UTC)I've just been reflecting on this because Lost was the first show I watched regularly -- I was a freshman in high school when it first came on -- and I hope to make films one day, and I have a couple of ideas that have been knocking around in my head for years that use flashback in a similar way and I think it's totally a result of having watched Lost. I find the use of a single flashback in a film so stupid and awkward -- it only works for me (barring exceptional instances) if you have the flashbacks working as a narrative on their own, like they did in Lost. Which is really pretty cool.
And even though I thought the finale sucked I certainly don't regret being so invested in the show. The first five years -- even parts of seasons 2 and 3, which were awful -- were such a phenomenal experience for me overall, because they completely exploited the medium of television. Watching Lost, even if you did it alone in your house, was such a communal experience. The theorizing and the obsessing were what made it such a phenomenon, and I think that that experience in and of itself was completely worthwhile. I just wish that this last season hadn't been so ridiculous. Because as much as I can tell myself that I don't regret those five years -- and I don't -- it still kind of blows to look back at them and realize that there was never, never any coherent plan for the story. I thought that starting with season 4 -- which was when they got the end date -- that things seemed like they made sense, that Cuse and Lindelhof had sat down and figured everything out. But that was obviously not the case.
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Date: 2010-05-24 06:18 pm (UTC)Whatever you do as a writer, swing for the motherfuckin' fences, my friend!
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Date: 2010-05-24 06:25 pm (UTC)I am glad they didn't solve every little possibly important thing. Like, why the others couldn't have kids. Now I can theorize about what that had to do with the incident. Or Claire raising Aaron, and if it was just to get her to the island. Or get Kate to come back. Or whatever!
What I wanted from the end was a satisfying conclusion to the character arcs, and I feel like that is what I got. Do I understand if jughead had anything to do with the spirit world? Nope. Do I know that the (still mysterious!) island played a profound part in these people's lives? That they were better off for having crashed? Absolutely. And every reunion with the flashes? Perfect.
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Date: 2010-05-24 06:45 pm (UTC)Admittedly, The X-Files has probably done brilliantly at becoming a cultural phenomenon -- here I am, talking about it a little over eight years to the day it went off the air -- but I'm still of the opinion it collapsed as a TV show somewhere after the fourth season or so. I'll never forget the feeling after I watched the fifth season premiere, which was supposed to expand and clarify some of the mysteries raised in the movie, and when the whole episode passed without anything being either expanded or clarified, I thought, "You have no idea what you're doing, do you."
Anyway, it's interesting to me to compare them, what with the mysteries and the myth-arcs and the creators who (supposedly) know what they're doing. I really do wonder why Lost seems to have pulled off not explaining everything where with The X-Files, not explaining everything left me wanting to throw something at the television.
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Date: 2010-05-24 06:46 pm (UTC)I have always enjoyed the characters and that is what kept me interested. I like surprises! Such as who could have ever guessed that Ben would end up working for Hurley? So count me in as a satisfied fan.
What JK Rowliong did was amazing, but even she did not please everybody. I think the Harmonions and Snape fans are perfect examples of this. Here is my theory, I think the more time you put into exploring and extrapolating the mechanics of a story, the more likely you are to be disappointed when it does not follow that course.
Does that make any sense?
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Date: 2010-05-24 07:09 pm (UTC)In my case, it's easy to see why I loved it: I'm a character-centric viewer/reader/writer, and one that loves unsolved mysteries and unanswered questions to boot (see my other comments). I can understand why people with a different outlook might not have enjoyed it as much as I did, weren't as satisfied. But I adored it.
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Date: 2010-05-24 07:45 pm (UTC)I had a damn good time watching it is the biggest thing I'm taking away from this. I am disappointed about not getting closure on a number of things--Walt, the OMGWTFPOLARBEARS, the glowcave, Desmond/Penny--but it was a damn good show, with fantastic characters across the board, and really, what more can we ask for?
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Date: 2010-05-24 08:46 pm (UTC)Thank you for being articulate when I can't :)
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