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This is just to say that I'm fine; I just looked up and realized how much time had passed without me posting again. I was tired from liveblogging two nights in a row, and--in a most likely related occurrence--my eyes have started burning a bit, so I've been trying to get away from my computer screen (... a little) the last couple of days and catch up on my research reading. A lot of it is refresher reading of books I already have, just to get back in a Victorian mindset, but since it involves vampire lore anyway, I'm using my reading both for novel-writing and for the M15M Vampires footnotes. Two birds, one stone, and so on.

So right now I have a just-arrived copy of The New Annotated Dracula, edited by Leslie Klinger, who also annotated my beloved three-volume Sherlock Holmes set. How I did not own this before now, I do not know. It's also like readng the book again for the first time, particularly since there seem to be at least two different published versions (an original and an abridged, but I swear to you, the illustrated edition I have seems to be somewhere between the two) as well as additions from Stoker's notes and the original manuscript. My only problem with Klinger's annotations is that he likes to play along with the game that both Sherlock Holmes and Dracula were real (seriously, a lot of Holmesians are WAY into this), which is fun and all, but you can end up spending a lot of time trying to reconcile discrepancies by going through all these "theories" about how Watson did or did not have two wives/war wounds/middle names, or whether Stoker disguised details from "The Harker Papers" or if Jonathan Harker himself fabricated long swaths of it entirely--which is great if you're interested from only a reader's point of view, but not so great if you're also interested from a writer's. Some of it I just want to dispose of with a cry of HE DIDN'T CARE, OKAY? ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE JUST REALLY DID NOT SERIOUSLY CARE ABOUT SOME OF THIS STUFF, FOR REAL, HE SAYS IN ONE PARAGRAPH THAT IT'S JULY AND TWO PAGES LATER THAT SAME NIGHT IT'S SEPTEMBER, APPARENTLY WE DID NOT INVENT THE CONTINUITY EDITOR UNTIL THE TWENTIETH CENTURY, PEOPLE ARE REALLY JUST GOING TO HAVE TO LET THIS GO. I mean, sometimes it's kind of fun, the way critics and commentators try to reconcile some of these things, but honestly: the moon is full on three different days in the same month because Stoker needs moonlight, and he's not paying attention. People, it happens to the best of us--or, in the case of Van Helsing, which does the same damn thing, the worst of us. And there's material that got taken out and reshaped into the short story "Dracula's Guest," but little loose ends are left in the Jonathan Harker section; Stoker had minor characters in his notes that didn't make it into the finished version, like a friend of Lucy and Mina's named Kate, and you can see vestigial references to her. As a writer, I'd be more interested in discussing why he decided to make those changes, maybe look at some correspondence on the subject if any letters are extant, than trying to argue why "Jonathan Harker" would have tried to cover up a previous encounter with the blonde vampire. Basically, what I'm saying is, there are so many careless "discrepancies" in both works that it just becomes frustrating to try--and inevitably fail--to "reconcile" them, and I'd rather spend that time discussing the work from a literary standpoint than a conspiracy angle. But then, a lot of people do have fun with it. I'm just saying, my preference would be the other approach. Klinger's annotations are awesome in every other way, so I do recommend them.

(It takes a while to scan back and forth between text and footnotes, though--sometimes there are pages of [fun! interesting!] footnotes and you have to flip back to the text. So even though I started reading last night, I'm only now at Whitby, just as Lucy starts to fall ill. Which was always my favorite part, oddly enough.)

As a segue, guess who wrote the introduction? Neil Gaiman! Who will be reading at the University of Alabama (about an hour away from me, in Tuscaloosa) on February 18th. I do believe I will try to go.

I still have that really good linkspam, but I keep being too tired to actually organize it. Perhaps I should look into hanging garlic by my windows.

To conclude: Fig. 1: My plum chenille arm warmer(s) from Sock Dreams (now back in stock! I had previously bought the last pair, sorry). Fig. 2: I am apparently a sparklepire, or at least a half-vamp mutant hybrid, because I glow in direct sunlight.


My plum arm warmer(s) from Sock Dreams on Twitpic So white, I glow in the sun. Do I dazzle you, etc. on Twitpic


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Date: 2010-01-28 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] munin-and-hugin.livejournal.com
Hooray for fun!interesting! footnotes! They're the best.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] munin-and-hugin.livejournal.com
And holydang, I'm the first? Huh, never thought that'd happen...

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunni-sideup.livejournal.com
Whitby - also my favorite part of Dracula. The annotations sound very interesting.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com
APPARENTLY WE DID NOT INVENT THE CONTINUITY EDITOR UNTIL THE TWENTIETH CENTURY, PEOPLE ARE REALLY JUST GOING TO HAVE TO LET THIS GO.

Hee! I agree, the conspiracy theory stuff can be fun, but there comes a point where people just need to let. It. Go.

I love my copy of the Annotated Dracula. Er, copies, I should say, because I've got a couple of different versions.

Have you read Anno Dracula by Kim Newman? I highly recommend it, especially after you're done with the Annotated Dracula.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I haven't! But it keeps being mentioned--I also want to go get the other two annotations Klinger keeps mentioning.

But yeah, I get a bit tired of the conspiracy angle because sometimes it gets bogged down in perpetuating itself. When it works, it's a fun new way to consider something; when it doesn't, you're just going through ever-increasingly convoluted motions just to keep up appearances.

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:07 am (UTC)
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I just got my copy of The New Annotated Dracula today! I ordered it precisely because of the "it's all real" gimmick, because I'm a hopeless sucker (so to speak, whoops) for that kind of thing. The thought of trying to make what reads like a never-revised first draft make consistent sense sounds like, um, quite a challenge. Plus, other stuff! I'm looking forward to reading it and am excited to see a positive review of it pop up on the flist with such perfect timing.
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Date: 2010-01-28 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Hee. Well, as they say, if you are into this kind of thing, this is the kind of thing you will be into. I really recommend Klinger's Sherlock set, if you like that--people have been having fun with "The Game" for a long time, so there's a lot of that to discuss. And I think the gimmick benefits there from being spread over many, many stories, instead of a single, shorter work with tons of discrepancies. I mean, there's a whole appendix dealing with time/date issues in Dracula. I'm perfectly content with STOKER WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION, because--what's trying to reconcile it actually going to achieve? Because it's all fictional and there's no correct reality, as it were, you can't do it.

But even within that, Klinger still gets to stop and say, okay, look, whether someone "fabricated" this or not, this makes NO SENSE. Like why Dracula would actually kill everyone on the Demeter, which he needs to get to England. (Klinger mentions an interesting theory that Dracula wasn't feeding to kill, but that, rather, the excitable Romanian first mate realized what was going on, and he started killing the other "infected" sailors.) I had honestly never thought about that before.
I love that kind of thing; it helps me think about what I'm writing.

And he'll also stop and mention things like, "On Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Spike and his friends play poker using kittens for chips."

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iczer6.livejournal.com
HE DIDN'T CARE, OKAY? ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE JUST REALLY DID NOT SERIOUSLY CARE ABOUT SOME OF THIS STUFF

There are so many fandoms where I want to yell this out sometimes. Maybe the writer just fucked up okay? Maybe they weren't paying attention or maybe that information just wasn't important to the story they were trying to tell.

Also I was wondering I came across this (http://lunakitten.livejournal.com/232535.html) and was wondering if you could mention it.

Short story a man name Kevin was paralyzed in accident and since then has been screwed over by his insurance company who flat out refuse to pay him and is nearing homelessness.

They are asking for donations but the LJ owner says what they really want is to get the word out.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Sure--I think I mentioned it on Twitter a few days ago, but it can't hurt to post it here too.

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampychick.livejournal.com
Hi!

UA is being weirdly bad about making this clear: tickets are required for the Neil Gaiman event. Luckily, they're free! They'll be available February 1 starting at 11 AM here (http://crimsonartstickets.universitytickets.com/user_pages/event.asp?id=510).

Date: 2010-01-28 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Oh, thank GOD. I was thinking, that place is going to be a MADHOUSE if it's just a first come/first serve free-for-all. Can you just set up an account at the site? You don't have to be a member of something?

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:14 am (UTC)
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Dude, we are so hand twins!

Date: 2010-01-28 04:51 am (UTC)
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Hand TRIPLETS!

Date: 2010-01-28 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfin-miss.livejournal.com
Har.
My friends and I have the same problem with being all glowy in pictures with direct sunlight. Only our problem lies less with the vapirism and more with the fact that were all just very white nerds

Date: 2010-01-28 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wenelda.livejournal.com
It's about 3 1/2 hours for me to get to Tuscaloosa. I'm debating on whether or not I want to go. The event itself is free, though, so hmmmm...

Date: 2010-01-28 03:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diddakoi.livejournal.com
Holy damn, it's quiet on here. I've been happily ignoring the State of the Union, learning how to knit cables instead. I feel I chose wisely. I can always watch the recaps on Jon Stewart.

I thought about looking into the annotated Holmes volumes you mentioned, but I was standing in B&N and there was a collected works right in front of me, and I am lazy.

Also! I just want to mention that it seems that in the South, stores are given common-sense names. For example: Books-A-Million, the Hobby Lobby. You hear those names, and you know what they sell. Up here, we get names like Barnes and Nobles, Borders, Michael's, Joann's, etc. (Candy to those who can guess what these sell -- but no fair if you already know.)

Date: 2010-01-28 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Well, we have all of those as well. But even Joann's is Joann's Fabric down here.

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:22 am (UTC)
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I found a copy of that Annotated Dracula at the used bookstore. I really should pick it up soon.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michaela0823.livejournal.com
The Annotated Dracula is pretty much the best thing ever, but... I agree. The notes and the Victorian trivia are wonderful and the bits and bobs about vampire lore and whatnot are all really intriguing, but (a) The Game gets wearying pretty quickly, and (b) what if I actually want to know about the writing process?

Date: 2010-01-28 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
See, exactly. It's a combination of The Game dragging on just for the sake of continuing, even when there is just no way to reconcile some of this stuff, and then the fact that pretending it's real means you have to actively ignore some of the worksmanship aspects.

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mellymell.livejournal.com
I have to say, on your mention of having cut the ends off a pair of toe socks to use as fingerless gloves, I've since done the same thing to a rarely worn pair of mine and they're my new favorite thing. Elbow length fingerless gloves FTW! And now I believe I have an addiction to fingerless gloves.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Aren't they awesome? The problem with my homemade pair is that they're fraying, and they get a bit over-warm. The microfiber chenille ones breathe more, and they're finished at the ends. But yeah, I developed a crazy addiction overnight. I have that one pair in plum, peacock blue, and black--it's ridiculous.

If it's cold enough on the 18th, that would be one way to recognize me--my multicolor toesock gloves.

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chulacabra.livejournal.com
I COVET those handwarmers. Living in Los Angeles I have zero need for such items. But they are teh qtness, especially in that color.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I KNOW, RIGHT? I've taken to wearing the warmers as often as I can (I, uh... I kind of also have them in black and peacock blue) because God knows, there's about two months in the year I'd even be able to.

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laughingacademy.livejournal.com
HE DIDN'T CARE, OKAY? ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE JUST REALLY DID NOT SERIOUSLY CARE ABOUT SOME OF THIS STUFF, FOR REAL

Seriously. We are talking about a man who decided that a poisonous snake could (1) live in a locked safe (2) on milk, and (3) be trained to attack in response to a whistle. Riiiiiiiiight.

Date: 2010-01-28 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linz-lou.livejournal.com
"Seriously. We are talking about a man who decided that a poisonous snake could (1) live in a locked safe (2) on milk, and (3) be trained to attack in response to a whistle. Riiiiiiiiight."

lol When I first read that part of the book, I was like, "Seriously?"

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linz-lou.livejournal.com
I'm thinking about going to UA to see Neil Gaiman, as well. It's only about an hour from me, too; I just need to see who I can bribe talk into going with me. Being the only Gaiman fan in my circle of friends sucks at times like these.

Date: 2010-01-28 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Oh, I wouldn't even be able to go if a friend wasn't already going to Tuscaloosa that day anyway.

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foresthouse.livejournal.com
We do miss you when you do not post. :) (Even if we've been talking anyway. Hee.)

HE DIDN'T CARE, OKAY? ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE JUST REALLY DID NOT SERIOUSLY CARE ABOUT SOME OF THIS STUFF, FOR REAL,

Hee! SO TRUE. And I am of the same school of thought as you regarding analysis.

Neil! You totally need to go see/meet Neil. Have you seen him speak before?

Hah, I love the glowing hand.

P.S. WTF is HuffPost trying to do with peoples' Twitterfeeds? They can't just yoink your content without your permission! WHOSE STUPID IDEA WAS THAT? And, you know, why are they still apparently working on it?

Date: 2010-01-28 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I've heard him speak, but I haven't seen him speak. Well, I mean, he was on Colbert. You know what I'm saying. I used to go to on-campus, visiting author readings when I was... well, on campuses. And that's been a while.

Re: HuffPo, I have no idea. All's I know is, I apparently got quoted on Gawker about it.

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Date: 2010-01-28 03:55 am (UTC)
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i do hope you get to go see neil gaiman read at UA! i would go if i was still around :) sounds lovely.

Date: 2010-01-28 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fading-october.livejournal.com
I just finished reading Sunshine, it was pretty delightful for vampires. It was written before Twilight and everything, but it sort of restored my love for them. I'm not a fan of the author because she left so many strings just hanging and is refusing to do a sequel. Also she's one of those authors that are against fan-fiction. I am on the fence over that though. I feel people should be able to write their stories, share them, have a good read/laugh. I think it should end if you were to try and get them published. I dunno...

I love Sock Dreams. I bought my boyfriend a pair of green armwarmers and if I had Unlimited Monies I think I'd end up buying out most of the store x.x

Date: 2010-01-28 08:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonfox35.livejournal.com
I love Sunshine! I've read a couple other Robin McKinley books like Deerskin and Outlaws of Sherwood, and I think that's a pattern of hers, to leave lots of things unexplained. And she always likes to end with the couple together... maybe.

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Date: 2010-01-28 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quizzicalsphinx.livejournal.com
If Gaiman comes to U of A, I am there with bells on. Perhaps I will wear literal bells so that people will know which one is me.

Date: 2010-01-28 04:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lilyofshalott
Yay for annotated versions! I borrowed Martin Gardner's The Annotated Alice when I was home for Christmas & only got through the introduction because I ran out of time—I rather liked it, though, and will probably buy my own copy at some point (hmm, I do need to get to the library this weekend).

Sock Dreams! I have a list of things I want to get from there (not to mention Aromaleigh & BPAL, hee). ^_^

Date: 2010-01-28 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sea-of-tethys.livejournal.com
Heh, the Annotated Alice was the only copy we had in my house when I was little, and I was SO confused when I got a bit older and saw a normal edition -- I had thought the notes were part of the original! "Where did all the little numbers go, and the rest of the text, and the weird digressions about some guy called Dodgson?"

Date: 2010-01-28 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mokeyhokey.livejournal.com
HE DIDN'T CARE, OKAY? ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE JUST REALLY DID NOT SERIOUSLY CARE ABOUT SOME OF THIS STUFF, FOR REAL

Oh man, that actually clears something up for me (... I'm not so versed in the Holmes universe). Months ago I caught a Basil Rathbone-era Sherlock Holmes movie (The Woman in Green, I think?) and at one point Holmes had handed over a perp to the cops. They were going to walk him to the station like a block away but literally thirty seconds later the police returned to inform Holmes that the guy had escaped, and I was left, like, flailing at the TV because THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE. He was outnumbered three to one! At the time I boggled at the terrible screenwriting, but I feel a lot more relaxed about it now knowing that it wasn't so much incompetent screenwriting but more Doyle deploying a certain amount of handwaving to move the plot forward when necessary/he felt like it/whatever.

Date: 2010-01-28 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laughingacademy.livejournal.com
Well, that movie was one of the adaptations "inspired by" Conan Doyle rather than adapted from a specific story, so it probably was crappy scripting.

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Date: 2010-01-28 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mermaidkween.livejournal.com
Ah, we're going to see Neil as well. Isn't it exciting?

Date: 2010-01-28 05:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athenaktt.livejournal.com
Speaking of vampires and linkspam, I don't know if you saw this already or not.

A friend showed me this the other day and I couldn't stop watching for quite some time. XD

http://g4tv.com/videos/43658/Twilight_Modern_Warfare_2_Trailer/

Date: 2010-01-28 06:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwg.livejournal.com
There was a documentary by a guy (...this is so specific) that went back over writers' notes about four of the great horror novels; Dracula, Frankenstein, Jekyll & Hyde, and Hound of the Baskervilles, and he basically presented sort of how the writer went from A to B from the lore/myths/history to the actual writing process (it never fails to amuse me that Stoker wrote the scenes in Transylvania from travel brochures in the library). I'm pretty sure there was a book to accompany, which was basically the non-tv version of the series. Google-fu for the win: Nightmare: the Birth of Horror by Chrisopher Frayling (http://www.amazon.com/Nightmare-Birth-Horror-Christopher-Frayling/dp/0563371986). I found the whole thing very useful to better understand the thinking of the day and why these stories were so sensational at the time, as well as how they've endured.

The other recent thing that's vaguely relevant to this was a three part documentary series on the origins of the folklore around Dracula, Frankenstein, and werewolves themselves, but that's not helpful unless you want to learn how to successfully impale someone.
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