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So I just saw Planet of the Cat People (P.S. They're Blue) in 3-D, and then Brett the Vet and I went out for Moe's. (They have a whole salsa bar!) Short version: A large portion of my readership is going to kick my ass.

Long version:

It was... okay? I was actually really, really bored through the first hour or so, and then intermittently throughout after that. The jellyfish-glowstick jungles of Pandora were gorgeous, and while they looked about as real-to-the-touch as you could ask for... I never entirely bought into the reality of them. (I saw the movie in 3-D, but not IMAX, if that makes a difference.) The Na'vi characters, on the other hand, did pass that barrier at times; sometimes I felt like I was watching animated characters, but other times, particularly in closeup, the hair and skin actually looked photorealistic. And all of them looked startlingly like the actors, to the point where I could actually see Zoe Saldana and imagine what she looked like on an empty set doing a particular scene. In fact, the Sigourney Weaver Na'vi looked disturbingly like the actress.

That said... the acting was bad. Really, really bad--and I can't blame the actors, because I know Sigourney Weaver can act better than that, particularly in her first few scenes. I have to believe that James Cameron, much as George Lucas did with his actors for the Star Wars prequels, encouraged them to play their characters really broadly. But... for real. Billy Zane in Titanic was more subtle than either of our two villains here. Yeah. That bad.  

And you know, I don't even mind that the story was clichéd and overly familiar, because there is a fine line between stereotype and archetype, and I'll give Avatar this round. I mean, I understand that this is the kind of movie where the chief's daughter saves Whitebread from the angry natives, and then there is That One Scene Where the Hero Rides Something, and then a giant battle that they lose before an even gianter battle that they win after That One Speech the Hero Always Gives, and that specific major characters will die (and I was able to predict three out of four the moment they came on screen. There was a fifth character who I thought would die, but didn't) while Our Lady of Soundtrack Sorrow keens in the background. Look: I understand this. I'm okay with this. The Hero with a Thousand Faces, so on and so forth. What I'm not okay with is that story being populated with paper-thin characters spouting dumbass dialogue. Oddly? The CGI characters were more interesting than the ones played by physically present actors; generally I got bored whenever we had to go back to the humans' base. In fact, Sam Worthington was more interesting and a better actor when he was blue. Zoe Saldana was great; she was also the only actor who I felt put in a fully realized performance. This might have been, in part, because most of everyone else were relegated to cardboard cutouts: The Indian Chief, the Shaman Lady, the Rival Warrior, the Jealous Coworker, the Heartless Industrialist (Who Is Brought Briefly to Tears Once He Sees What He Has Wrought). And then you had your Big Bad, the smug Marine bastard who said smug Marine bastard things, and for all his screentime was one of the flattest characters of all. Although, it was totally awesome when he strode out in the giant Transformer suit and the ship blew up behind him, I will give you that. I don't know--people told me that they cried not once but at several different points, and... the only time I got the least bit teary was when Neytiri was wailing over her father, because Zoe Saldana brought it in that scene. I mean, throughout the movie, she was not afraid to shriek and howl and make unpretty noises; this is how Neytiri would sound, so those were the sounds she made. But the supporting characters... I don't know how you can have a movie nearly three hours long and yet feel like everyone else had so little to do.

And... I honestly don't know how to feel about the racial elements of the essential premise (When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?). The movie hits you over the head so hard with the ecological sermon that it's hard to focus on anything else. That said... I mean, again, I understand that this is the kind of story where the hero enters a society with very different values, thereby discovering himself and what's really important. It's essentially the same story as Did You Hear About the Morgans? and fish-out-of-water comedies of that ilk, not to put too fine a point on it--slowing down and learning What Really Matters in Life. Except when it's an adventure story, shit also blows up. However... some people will say that the Na'vi, with their beads and feathers and warpaint and battle cries, embody some really, really unpleasant Native American indigenous/Aboriginal stereotypes; others will say that other characteristics (the cat hissing and teeth-baring, for example) are there to show that the Na'vi aren't human and therefore aren't embodying any kind of human stereotype at all. It's also possible that it's a little bit of both. If it makes you feel better, the whole point of the story is that (SPOILER FOR THE ENDING) Jake turns his back on the entire human race, gets his spirit transferred to his Na'vi avatar, and makes sure that 99.99% of his fellow humans get kicked off Pandora and sent home. There's none of this "We are different but we are really the same even though we came to your planet and took all your shit but we can totally live together in peace" stuff; everyone but Jake and his two surviving Earth friends are kicked the fuck out when the Na'vi take back Pandora. (YOU CAN TAKE OUR TREES! BUT YOU CAN NEVER! TAKE! OUR FREEDOMMMM!) So the message here is very anti-colonial, except for the fact that it was still only a colonist who was able to tame the giant pterodragon, bring all the Na'vi together, and lead them into battle. I don't know what to tell you. It's a legitimate outsider-as-savior archetype; it's the insistence that only a white man can truly rule the savages. You make the call.

(Honestly, I feel like the No One Disabled Can Ever Be Happy angle that's more offensive. Like, I understand where they were going with that, but... the LOOK, IT'S A CRIP! HEY CRIP! stuff from the other soldiers at the beginning, the constant "Meals on Wheels" type jokes, and then the idea that Jake could not be happy unless he abandoned his "useless" human body--just--wow. On one hand, it's actually kind of foreshadowed that he's truly meant to be a Na'vi; the first time we see him, his face is bathed in blue light. So I understand that the movie was trying to give us a "reason" for him to abandon Earth and humanity and his body, but... so much of that made me really uncomfortable. It wasn't enough for the movie to insist that he was Na'vi at heart; it had to actively devalue him as a disabled human. Even though those comments were intended to be cruel or "tough," Jake's actions and choices seem to back them up in spirit. I just... I don't know.)

Anyway. There are some thematic problems here, is what I'm saying. And I have to think that if Avatar really were The Greatest Movie Ever Made, I wouldn't have had brain cells free to ponder any of this. I don't know--I had so many people tell me to just enjoy the beauty of the movie, that the beauty of the effects and the filmmaking is more important than the story or the dialogue or the acting, that it's so incredibly amazing that you either won't or shouldn't notice anything else. Maybe there was no movie in the world that could have lived up to that. The very first people to see Avatar were probably the most fortunate, because they had no idea what they were in for. As for me--Pandora was gorgeous, and I really did get interested once (MASSIVE SPOILER) the Hometree was destroyed and we saw more of the Na'vi culture and rituals as they tried to deal with that. I really felt like the movie only scratched the surface of the world-building that Cameron had put into the whole thing (which is probably why he's threatening to make sequels). Basically, I feel like the Na'vi and the imagery of Pandora deserved a better movie. I think the reason we're seeing so many filmmakers wetting themselves is because they're seeing the possibilities for their own movies, what they can now do with this technology, that their horizons have been broadened. I sat there for three hours and I felt every single minute of it--I was assured that once it got going, it was a rollercoaster that just didn't stop; I ended up checking my watch an hour and a half in wondering if we'd gotten started yet.

So... I guess the ass-kicking starts... now. I'm sure a lot of people will accuse me of having decided to dislike the movie before I even sat down. I'd like to think that pointing out the things I did like would disprove that, but maybe not. I don't want to be a hater, you know? I was a Titanic hater back in the day, and let me tell you, it is really, really not fun to be in the minority when everyone else loves something. I don't want to rain on your parade. But I've heard a lot of people say, "I didn't think it looked good, but I came out a believer." So that says to me that some people did find the movie amazing enough to change their minds. I wasn't one of them. Just... be civil in the comments, to me and each other, that's all I'm asking.


ETA: What the HELL? Hospital: Actress Brittany Murphy dies at age 32.



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Date: 2009-12-20 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krazycat.livejournal.com
Fair play to you if you didn't like it, you can't like everything. I personally thought it was wonderful. The disabled thing didn't bother me or my visually disabled partner, who has been spending the last two days saying he wants to be blue. I actually really loved that a disabled man was the hero and could completely relate to how he must've felt when he realised he could walk. That was a very strong scene to me.

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] cofmanynames.livejournal.com
I haven't seen it yet, and now I'm not sure if I'm going to for any reason other than drawing from (no, literally, it sounds like it'd be fun to draw). This was a pretty good review, I thought, though. Um.

Hi! I don't hate you! is what I'm basically trying to say here?

Date: 2009-12-20 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
It really is a really, really beautiful movie. Really.

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cupcakery.livejournal.com
My issues with the movie stem from the COLONIALISM SMACK IN THE FACE that makes me head-desk and want to hit people with my rolled-up anthropology degree diploma.

Date: 2009-12-20 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bumblebee-1983.livejournal.com
More like imperialism, wouldn't you say? The humans don't necessarily want to inhabit the planet, just yank the resources.

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wearejustducky.livejournal.com
Aaaand now I feel like I can safely dismiss it. You have a take on things that I am pretty simpatico with, even when I disagree, so if you feel it was meh, I'ma wait for the DVD, so I can watch it at home with potty breaks.

Date: 2009-12-20 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bienegold.livejournal.com
This. Except I probably won't be watching it at home anyway.

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliotech.livejournal.com
As far as I'm concerned, this review does what it says on the tin, doesn't just tell me how it's the best movie ever without telling me why, and it's not relentlessly bashing it without (again) telling me why. I'm so tired of this all or nothing attitude with Avatar reviews; either it's 100% vitrol or 100% blind adoration, and it doesn't tell me anything about the plot itself or why I might like it/not like it. I would like to read more reviews of this movie that hit a middle ground like that. It sounds like something I'd want to see, but I think I'm going to wait for PPV. 3-D is just going to give me a headache.
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Date: 2009-12-20 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Hee, thanks. I will say that all the OMG BEST MOVIE EVAR SO PRETTY squee baffled me because no one would tell me what was so pretty. Like, my tiny little lizard brain could not imagine what was so beautiful that it would rock so many people's worlds. And then I got there and it was a blacklight forest. Which was awesome, and made me want to throw Nausicaa or Princess Mononoke into the DVD player, but... it wasn't a religious experience.

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:35 pm (UTC)
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I think this all sounds fair, and I agree with a lot of it. I'm really glad you brought up the No One Disabled Can Ever Be Happy angle, since that bothered me more than yet another rehash of the colonial story (which did bother me quite a bit, but I'm also maybe numb to it a little). And Zoe Saldana really did bring it.

What I don't get is that, despite all its problems, I still really enjoyed it. I loved Sigourney Weaver, I was captivated from the very beginning, and I didn't feel the length of it at all. Maybe I'll feel differently on a second viewing -- the first time was a midnight show with my friends, and we were kidding around for hours beforehand -- but I really latched onto it. I almost wish I hadn't because it does have major problems. Sigh.

(And yeah, WTF Brittany Murphy? It's the first thing I saw when I signed online today, and I still can't wrap my head around it.)

Date: 2009-12-20 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
See, I do that with a lot of movies. Sometimes what I do love, I just love so much that I don't care about the rest. So I am completely okay with people really loving this movie, because I can understand what they do love about it. For some reason, a lot of it just left me cold.

Date: 2009-12-20 11:35 pm (UTC)
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I agree with you on all points. So, I've got your fandom back. Especially, I find the Diasbled-as-Useless stereotype/character arc really annoying.

I'm still overwhelmed by blue cat-like people (weeeeird) to really think about it, but your points up there pretty much match up the jumble in my head.

Date: 2009-12-22 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shayne-kraft.livejournal.com
I don't think the fact that he was disabled was meant to imply that he was useless. I think it was meant to make his switch over to the Na'vi side mean more, because he wasn't just giving up on his own people, he thought he was giving up the only chance he had to get his legs fixed. (At the time he didn't know there was a chance that he could move into his avatar body permanently.)

Date: 2009-12-20 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shia-labeouf.livejournal.com
no asskicking here. we have the exact same views on the film. like, to the letter.

Date: 2009-12-20 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] this-ismy-story.livejournal.com
I saw the prequel. Robin Williams was so funny as Batty Koda!

Date: 2009-12-20 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cupcakery.livejournal.com
Don't forget Tim Curry's awesomeness as anthropomorphized smog.

Really, someone should have just shown Ferngully at the climate summit.

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Completely OT, but-- iconss!

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:37 pm (UTC)
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2009 can screw itself right in the arse, eh?

Date: 2009-12-21 12:19 am (UTC)

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shocolate.livejournal.com
I have not the tiniest urge to see it - I only heard of it when I saw a trailer last month, and it looks pathetic.

Date: 2009-12-20 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saffron-penguin.livejournal.com
I don't think I can fork over cash for an overpriced movie ticket just to sit through three hours of what I know will irritate the hell out of my inner anthropologist. This was a wonderful review. Personally I would like to punch the next fanboy who comes to me jizzing in his pants about how awesome the movie is, and the effects, good god, the effects! Just like with recent video games, it annoys the hell out of me when prettyful graphics and effects are valued over a good story.

Date: 2009-12-20 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cupcakery.livejournal.com
Hello, your inner anthropologist sounds like they would get along with my inner anthropologist.

(Do you also have an unnatural love for Lévi-Strauss and Amazonian anthropology?)

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:38 pm (UTC)
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Totally off topic, but a friend shared this link with me, and I thought you might get a kick out of it. or someone who reads this comment might. It's about octupus and how they use coconut shells. Complete with entertaining video.

http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/12/octopus_carries_around_coconut_shells_as_suits_of_armour.php

Date: 2009-12-20 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I am really, really scared of octopi. Octopi and squid. They have EYES and BEAKS and they are coming to KILL US ALL. Those dolphins better get on that whole evolving-and-conquering thing, because at least they're cute.

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfsilveroak.livejournal.com
Strangely, it holds absolutely no interest for us. We have no want to see it at all.

Date: 2009-12-21 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anne-jumps.livejournal.com
Me neither. Although I do think Sam Worthington is good looking.

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elle-blessing.livejournal.com
Besides the graphics, I didn't think it looked good and I still don't.

Date: 2009-12-20 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] demonoflight.livejournal.com
Actually, I'd like to thank you. Now I'm certain that I have nothing to look for in terms of plot and when I watch Avatar, I will be able to focus on the visuals. A good plot would've distracted me from the potential pretty.

Date: 2009-12-20 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phrenolepsy.livejournal.com
Wow, you had to sit through three hours of film to confirm everything I felt when watching the trailer. Seriously, almost every post I see confirms my awkward feelings of "Space Pocahontas?" that make me wonder if it's worth sitting through three hours of overly familiar plot points.

I kind of still want to see it in theatres for the effects, but based on you're review I'm certain I'm going to be playing on my ipod in between the interesting parts.

Date: 2009-12-21 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anne-jumps.livejournal.com
OMG I am totally going to call it Space Pocahontas now. Brilliant

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harveypenguin.livejournal.com
I'm glad you posted this. I already knew from other reviews that the colonialism thing was going to bug me, but enough reviews mentioned that that I thought maybe it was somewhat mitigated. But no other reviews mentioned the fucked-up disability politics, which was what really stuck in my craw from the trailer. I'm glad to see I wasn't just imagining it.

Date: 2009-12-20 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Yeah, see, I feel like the "HUMANS, GTFO" ending mitigates the colonialist angle a lot--you're still left with Jake becoming the chief--but the disability angle really bothered me.

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khaman.livejournal.com
I went in cynical, kind of wanting to believe, and came out happy. I won't argue that the plot is thin in certain regards - it's built solidly from a plot-hole perspective, but as I put it, it's still Dancing with Stargates in the Ferngully.

It's a stock trope. It's just executed well. I have a different opinion on much of the acting, but it may be that I feel Zoe Saldana did excellently with what she could. It's difficult as fuck to get real emotion across when your scene involves a shit-ton of green screen and a guy in the same mo-cap getup as you. She gave it her all. The acting in all other regards is about as deep as it was with Aliens - of which I could totally buy as taking place in the same universe for some reason.

I don't know, but I just haven't gotten wrapped up in the white guilt thing, mostly because it wearies me. I'm willing to take the film on the Nausicaa level, or the Silent Running level with the eco message. Beyond that - it's white people versus blue people. I'm not interested in getting into it beyond that.

If Cameron had been braver, I might have enjoyed a really alien perspective of the native Pandorans, something more akin to the aliens of District 9 or even the backstories given to the races of Mass Effect. (see also - the Majat of Cherryh's 'Serpent's Reach.' The interwoven bio-spirituality of a truly alien race instead of something that an audience can recognize and connect with. That's a profit-driven perspective, sadly.

I enjoy the film very much on an eye-candy level, on the use of 3-D as being truly immersive rather than disruptive, and I regarded the plot as ultimately harmless and workman. But I can definitely respect the critiquing of it.

Date: 2009-12-20 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I will say, the simplicity didn't bother me--like you said, they didn't bite off more than they could chew and fall into a bunch of plot holes. With visuals that intense, a simple story probably did work best. My problem was more that the simple story wasn't very well written. If they'd brought someone in to write better dialogue (which in turn would help the characterization), the movie would have been so much better right there.

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amandeo.livejournal.com
Yup, it was Fern-Pochahontas-Gully with aliens, but it was a very pretty movie. Predictable to a tee, but hey. I want to drive around in a 10ft tall tribal Smurf body. They made that look rockin'.

Felt sorry for some of the actors admittedly, with the lines they were handed, and Sam Worthington deadpanning through the 'human' parts was kinda ridiculous. Seriously though, where the hell has Michelle Rodriguez BEEN the last few years? She's had some work done, my mother didn't recognise her.

Date: 2009-12-20 11:43 pm (UTC)
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I'm sort of torn about seeing this movie. Your review actually makes me sort of interested in giving it a shot at least. The overhypedness of it made me think it was going to be like The Love Guru. I honestly thought the previews made it look really stupid. So to hear an honest critique of it, looking at the stuff that was cool and the flaws makes me at least willing to consider spending 20 bucks to go see it.

I'm really glad you posted this

Date: 2009-12-20 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysterypoet66.livejournal.com
I've got a pretty good suspension-of-disbelief switch in my head, so I can usually buy into anything. That said, the io9 article really does hit the nail on the head. I mean, I *GET* it, we've got white guilt and so we're gonna be working this out on the cultural couch for a looooooong time. Freud would be proud. Also, yes, these archetypes exist in every culture from practically the beginning of time. The outsider transformed, etc. I think what's disturbing me, is the gloss of it all. It's not really being acknowledged that yes, these are our cultural memes and here's why it's good. Christopher Golden, (@ChristophGolden) told me that it really brought Darfur to mind for him, and that maybe we need MORE white guilt. This is a valid point for me.
I'm very glad to hear that Zoe Saldana shines in this, since I loved her in Star Trek (nominating for a heroine addict icon, btw.)
I'm starting to think, though, that James Cameron has been playing with the tech a little too long, diving to the ocean floor too frequently and such. He knows how to craft operatic narratives, but I don't think he knows how to really connect and for Avatar to be meaningful, you have to feel it, not just be mesmerized by the shiny.
Will I see it? Probably. Eventually.
Do I think it's transformative in the use of the tech? Most likely.
CGI always reminds me of Dr. Malcolm's rant during lunch in Jurassic Park, word to the effect of: You spent so much time figuring out if it could be done, you didn't stop to ask whether it *should* be done.
The Uncanny Valley may be overcome, but we're still losing something in the humanity of a performance. Which makes me appreciate Andy Serkis just that much more.
Oh, and I haven't heard much about an ableist slant in story, but DAMN, that ain't right.

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Date: 2009-12-21 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viorica8957.livejournal.com
nominating for a heroine addict icon, btw.

OMG YES.

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morpheus0013.livejournal.com
Please tell me that the movie does not, in fact, use the word "unobtanium." Because I was looking over the Wikipedia article on it and started laughing.

Unobtainium

Date: 2009-12-20 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysterypoet66.livejournal.com
OMG, I know. I was like, "WTF is wrong with the writers? They couldn't come up with something that didn't slap the viewer in the face?"

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizardbits.livejournal.com
Hrm, I kind of feel like assigning a Native American stereotype to the Na'vi is somewhat Americocentric? (shut up firefox, that is too a word.) IDK, I felt like they were more a conglomerate of all groups of indigenous people found throughout what we consider the developed world. The way they communicated with their flying... bird dragon lizard thingys reminded me of the various dialects of Bantu that have click consonants. And the style of warpaint reminded me more of Amazonian natives than USian natives.

Date: 2009-12-21 12:17 am (UTC)
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True. But it is the same general concept of whites vs. indigenous, although better wording could have been used.

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Date: 2009-12-20 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catherinehaines.livejournal.com
Totally agreeing with you here. You outlined everything I thought in a much more coherent way than I did when I walked out of the theatre Wednesday night.

Avatar was a very pretty movie, but I would have liked more substance to go with it.
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