cleolinda: (Default)
[personal profile] cleolinda
Okay, so: my mother and stepfather went to the bank to deal with the random people in Georgia who wrote checks on their account. The bank people were actually apologetic, although I'm not sure why, because it's not like they did it--maybe my mother's icy righteous anger is like Cloverfield, in that you can hear it coming from three blocks away, and when it gets there everyone dies. (Speaking of which, a comment from the previous entry that made me laugh out loud, from [livejournal.com profile] syneblue: "I have to say, after Sonic and Sears, I'm kinda looking forward to the story of how your mom blew up a bank and Wal-Mart and possibly Ohio with THE POWER OF HER MIND.") Anyway, the bank is giving us back the money, since she has the actual check she wrote with the same number (for a hell of a lot less money), and she's clearly not in Georgia right now.

(Before I go any further, people asked how she found out what happened, so I asked her, and she reminded me that she calls the bank everyday to see which checks of hers have cleared. You know, the automated service. Well, today, the service was all like, "Check. Number. 743. For. SIX HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE DOLLARS," and she was all JIGGA WHAT?, and here we are now.)

So, anyway, she just called me with an update--I had made a couple of comments on the previous entry asserting (as I hoped at the time) that it was probably a machine/clerk error, but... no. It totally wasn't. ANOTHER check for $690, this time at Home Depot, went through. Or rather, it tried to go through, because I think my mother only had about $300 in checking at the time (and the Wal-Mart scam check had already bounced on that), because she gets paid at the end of the week. And while we're here, can I just ask: why are these people spending just a shade under $700 each time? Is it like, you know, stealing < $700 is within their moral compass, but > $700 is just beyond the pale? And what the hell are they buying at Wal-Mart and Home Depot for that kind of money (but no more than that kind of money)? Small electronics? The entire Garanimals apparel collection? A really big bag of fertilizer? Anyway, apparently they--the bank? Home Depot? Someone?--were able to come up with the check itself this time, and it did have Mom's account number on it (that is, it wasn't a mistake), and it had a "very common name" with a driver's license number (probably fake) on it as well. The check itself wasn't hers; it had been "washed" and then redone (reprinted? I don't know exactly).

Fortunately, our money has been returned and we're off the hook for any further scammed checks. Unfortunately, my parents are going to have to get a new bank account, which sucks particularly because it's the end of the month and my mother had sent out checks to pay bills, plus their paychecks and my stepfather's pension are coming in. Fortunately, our bank is awesome, and they've agreed to keep the compromised account open to incoming funds, but close it to debits, checks and withdrawals; they've also agreed to let Mom list the checks she just sent out and clear those if they match up with the information she gives them (number, amount, payee) and only then, and not if, you know, Scammer McJackass decides to stock up on $695 worth of Grapette at Sam's. Also, if s/he feels like depositing some money, we are totally open to that eventuality. Right.

So what happened? Apparently the two scam checks have the same numbers, in sequence, as checks my mother wrote very recently. My first advice was, "Invest in a shredder for future bank statements," but my mother pointed out that any cashier could have written the account number down. But she was really spooked about the check numbers matching, until I realized out that duh, they could have also written the check number down as well. Like, if she used check #742 at the grocery store, Genius McJackass could write down the account number and check number and then hand them over to (let's say) her brother Scammer to use in Georgia. Except that, you know... we're kind of going to notice that someone who isn't us is writing checks for giant amounts of money. Like... what? They think we're just going to go, "Oh, I guess I forgot about that trip to Home Depot one state over that I made last month"? Also, I think they weren't counting on my mother's Awesome Powers of Money Management to bust them immediately. I'm still not sure why the bank is being so deeply awesome about this--I mean, they're going to double-check the bills she paid and everything! They're calling our Publix about the check that may now bounce because of Scammer!--except that... well, my mother, ladies and gentlemen.

So that's where things stand now: massive inconvenience, but largely, we escape unscathed. As far as catching the McJackass family goes, obviously, the first place to look is that last pre-scam check she wrote--whoever she paid with check #742 is about to receive a visit from the Long Arm of My Mother the Law. FEAR.


Site Meter
Page 1 of 2 << [1] [2] >>

Date: 2008-04-30 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robyn-ma.livejournal.com
In cases like this, a portable Gerald comes in handy:

'This Woman Clearly Did Not Write That Check. Do You Not See That?'

Date: 2008-05-01 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nc-bookworm.livejournal.com
I wish I could rent out Gerald. I want him to put the fear of God into PayFlex.

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] quasar360.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 01:23 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [personal profile] elbales - Date: 2008-05-01 06:17 pm (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] particle-person.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 03:32 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] sevenmarie.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 08:21 pm (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] robyn-ma.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 09:05 pm (UTC) - Expand

lols

From: [identity profile] sevenmarie.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 09:55 pm (UTC) - Expand

bank troubles

Date: 2008-04-30 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joshuad369.livejournal.com
Sometimes banks can be pretty awesome. Thats why the one bank I go to saved my bacon AND got overdraft charges that i wasn't expecting reversed. They pretty much own my soul now.

Still suck that some douch bag would do that to your mom. May her fiery wrath smote them down!!!

Re: bank troubles

Date: 2008-04-30 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evilbearhunter.livejournal.com
At first I thought that said "gave me bacon" and I was jealous. I mean, your bank sounds cool, but not as cool as a bacon-giving bank.

Re: bank troubles

From: [identity profile] nc-bookworm.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 12:06 am (UTC) - Expand

Re: bank troubles

From: [identity profile] joshuad369.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 12:11 am (UTC) - Expand

Re: bank troubles

From: [identity profile] amberdulen.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 02:56 am (UTC) - Expand

Re: bank troubles

From: [identity profile] kookaburra1701.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 04:43 am (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2008-04-30 11:39 pm (UTC)
ext_51796: (akusokuzan)
From: [identity profile] reynardine.livejournal.com
Glad the bank is being reasonable about the whole thing.

BTW, TCM (Turner Classic Movies) on cable is showing Quo Vadis (http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title.jsp?stid=933) tomorrow evening (Thursday, May 1st) at 7 pm central. IIRC, you only got to watch part of it the last time it was on? It's well worth seeing the whole thing, if you've got the time.

Date: 2008-04-30 11:47 pm (UTC)

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] edda.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-04-30 11:52 pm (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] mercat.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 02:35 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] chocotaku.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 02:39 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 02:45 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] chocotaku.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 02:48 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] vampirepig13.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 01:37 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] particle-person.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 03:35 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] chocotaku.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 03:39 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] syneblue.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 05:33 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] chocotaku.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 05:34 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] izzy-unkempt.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 06:50 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] bohotremere.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 11:40 am (UTC) - Expand

sporfle

From: [identity profile] mustang-bex1126.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 06:51 pm (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2008-04-30 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sigma7.livejournal.com
If there's any positive spin from this, it's that vigilance on the personal finance front is not being neurotic, it's being careful. Thank holy Cow she spotted this when she did and raised entirely-deserved overture-worthy hell over some punks doing their best to con her and hers out of her money.

A tip of the hat to her.

Date: 2008-04-30 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Yeah, let this stand as a warning to others: ALWAYS keep your mind on your money and your money on your mind.

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] chocotaku.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-04-30 11:55 pm (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2008-04-30 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emisi.livejournal.com
Has your mom mailed out any bills lately? Because the scammers often steal the checks from your mailbox when the flag is up and then wash them.

Date: 2008-04-30 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Yeah, she mailed out a ton--that's a good point. Except that the mailboxes on our street don't have flags (they're these brick things, and we're on a cul-de-sac). But the point still stands.

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] nc-bookworm.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 12:08 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] jackieocean.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 12:07 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] anne-jumps.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 01:21 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] lesamalie.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 03:47 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] kookaburra1701.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 04:47 am (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2008-04-30 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adarraliselle.livejournal.com
Someone stole my check card number a bit back. The bank thinks it was either a waitress or someone who raided my purse while I was getting my hair cut (is nothing sacred?!). Anyway, this person distributed my number to people in a couple of different states. They made copies of my card and proceeded to try to buy up Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. My bank noticed that buying TV's in four different states simultaneously was outside my spending pattern, and they cut off all access to my account. The bank was quite awesome, actually. I wasn't responsible for the charges. I was slightly alarmed at how close they monitor my spending patterns, though. Sounds like your Mom is way better than electronic monitoring.

Date: 2008-05-01 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilgoala.livejournal.com
this person distributed my number to people in a couple of different states.

They sure set that one up to fail, didn't they? Wow. lol

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] cmdr-zoom.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 01:36 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] adarraliselle.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 01:49 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] setauuta.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 01:36 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] adarraliselle.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 01:51 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] atpolittlebit.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 02:31 am (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] daemonnoire.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 02:09 pm (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2008-05-01 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] claddagh812.livejournal.com
Holy crap. I'm so glad this was caught early and that your bank is being so cooperative, unlike one here I know about that had to be threatened with legal action when a family friend's account was compromised. Good on your bank, and good on your mom for being so vigilant.

Date: 2008-05-01 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nc-bookworm.livejournal.com
Which bank? Because I want to give them my business now.

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] singeaddams.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 03:58 am (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2008-05-01 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snapdragon76.livejournal.com
My mother was informed a few months back that there was suspicious activity in regards to her bank account, so they informed her and told her they'd be sending her a new card in the mail, just like that.

I hope your mom rains hellfire on whoever is responsible.

Date: 2008-05-01 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] palmetto.livejournal.com
The same thing happened to me a little over a year ago. Nothing ever showed up on any bank statement or on my online banking or anything--so either they flipped at my paying my power bill and phone bill online on the same day (unlikely, as this was a normal habit of mine) or some asshat decided to do something got the autosmackdown.

Date: 2008-05-01 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undying-rose17.livejournal.com
Not that this is a funny situation (I've had it happen to me twice before and it sucks having to get all new everythings and being unable to access anything in the meantime), but the stupidity of the people who do this to think that someone's not going to notice ~$700 missing from their bank account is just...wow.

When it happened to me, I was in between jobs and so only had about $30 in my bank account, so they notified me right away when the guy tried to write a cheque for $400. In Florida. While I live in Massachusetts. It just...the logic of it (or illogic, rather) confounds me, because unless someone is super-super-rich, they're going to notice if someone far away tries to take more than, say, $10 from their bank account. And I find that depressingly funny, that these sorts of criminals are that dumb.

Date: 2008-05-01 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raven-feathers.livejournal.com
the thing is, at that point, they've already got what they wanted which is the merchandise that they can then sell. it's not about your money in your bank. it's about the swag. they're not going to be able to get any money from cleo's mom's account, but they've now got almost $1400 worth of junk stuff that they didn't have before. and if they write more checks on that account rather than trying to debit the money, they'll get more stuff.

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] mustang-bex1126.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 06:56 pm (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2008-05-01 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maetang.livejournal.com
I'm glad your bank are being so helpful.

Maybe they can feel the potential WRATH OF YOUR MOTHER percolating in the background, and are wisely staving off her AWESOME FURY by pre-emptively co-operating. I pity the FOOL of a fraudster who has yet to TASTE HER WRATH! *shakeyfist at scammers*

Date: 2008-05-01 12:50 am (UTC)
ext_4772: (Blow My Mind)
From: [identity profile] chris-walsh.livejournal.com
Ah, the Dance of the Scammers, trying to keep their scam amounts below a certain amount. They may have thought $700 was the amount that would've triggered the bank's suspicion. My co-workers and I at my former job, a fraud detection and prevention department, would see that for much smaller amounts (we handled adding minutes to long-distance calling cards). Fraud activity also would be spread out over several accounts to try and make the fraud less obvious, like the one we found for someone claiming their name was "Junea U. Alaska." Stuff like that.

Good on your mom for being vigilant. I check several times a week, myself, though the time I got scammed, it was over Super Bowl Weekend '07, when I didn't check until my bank e-mailed me with notice about the suspicious activity.

And I just want to say that this entry and thread have made laugh out loud multiple times. Your sense of humor is formidable and worthy. Like the Righteous Wrath of Mom.

Date: 2008-05-01 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maliekai.livejournal.com
The random thought floating through my head at all this is surprise that your mother still uses checks. Because they're so easy to scam. Like, at stores. Is that a U.S. thing? Most places up here don't even take personal checks anymore.

Date: 2008-05-01 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Mostly she uses her debit card, although she mails checks to pay bills--she tends to like checks because she remembers write down things she'll need later, to balance things that way.

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] draksila.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 04:34 am (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2008-05-01 02:26 am (UTC)
msilverstar: (Default)
From: [personal profile] msilverstar
Your mom completely rocks! I am so behind on checkbook balancing.

However, my credit card company is on the case! They called to let me know there were three iffy charges and the card was blocked until we cleared them up. The charges were Sony Online Entertainment (a monthly charge for the LAST FOUR YEARS), a local restaurant where we've eaten before, and OMGWTFPolarbear, an order from MOMAstore.org because I fell in love with the River Stones platter last year. We all know that art museum stores are a haven for fraud, right???

Date: 2008-05-01 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] word-herder.livejournal.com
Having worked at a bank for a total of 5 years (in another life that I try to forget), I can tell you without a doubt that the majority of people don't check their accounts regularly and usually don't discover they've been pwned until it's nearly impossible to figure out what happened. Kudos go to your mom.

Date: 2008-05-01 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mercat.livejournal.com
Please don't blow up Ohio? I'd like to have something to go home to in a week.

I suck at keeping my checkbook balanced, which is why my credit union is awesome for having online checking and keeping a pretty much up-to-date balance. (It takes a few days for charges to clear.) I can pretty mcuh instantly see what I bought on credit/debit, what checks passed when, and pay off bills in about ten seconds. I love it.

Date: 2008-05-01 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trash-addict.livejournal.com
I'm scared of your Mum. She's the best. Bring on the Wrath of Cleo's Mum!

Date: 2008-05-01 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] acaciakitty.livejournal.com
Well, I am glad that is straightened out and that your Mom happens to have a very nice bank.

I find it sad that you have to have "tribulations" as a tag.

Date: 2008-05-01 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xanath.livejournal.com
Oh, God. This sounds like what I just went through, although the amount was much smaller--about $200. I caught it in about two days, because I was waiting for another check to clear; I went online to check my account, and went, "HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO MY MONEY??!"

The good thing: I work at the same institution where I bank my money. The awesome thing: the bank did the exact same thing your mother's bank did. The incredibly mind-blowing thing? The would-be thief was caught Monday. :D They traced it to some twit who stole my information when I wrote a check for my gym dues.

I wish all banks were as considerate. I have my money back, my mechanic is happy, and I'm no longer writing checks. For anything.

Date: 2008-05-01 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kilted.livejournal.com
Oh man, when your mom finds those creeps... mwahahaha.

Date: 2008-05-01 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clovecigarettes.livejournal.com
Also, I think they weren't counting on my mother's Awesome Powers of Money Management to bust them immediately.
Seriously! Like I said yesterday, it's scary the amount of people I know who have no idea how much money they have. It would be easy to pull that scam on a lot of people.
Your mom rocks.

Date: 2008-05-01 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daemonnoire.livejournal.com
It's not about whether or not the person being stolen from notices the purchases. It's about passing the checks quickly, and then moving on to the next account. Since a lot of places don't have electronic check verification, what scammers do is write as many checks as they can in places where they can get several high end items very quickly. Home Depot and Wal-Mart have really lax return policies, so they're pretty easy targets for check scammers. Target and Lowe's are really good for credit card scammers, though it's harder to do returns at those places. A smart scammer will pass three or four checks at Big Box stores, then not return to those locations for a few weeks. The items they purchased are then brought to another Big Box store a few miles away and returned (obviously, this works best in a large city, or a place with several Big Box stores close by). Scammer sez "I lost the receipt/I got it as a gift/my SO bought it and is out of town." The person doing the returns hands over cash, and voila. Instant payday.

When my credit card was stolen, the thief hit three Targets in one night, and then went to get their nails done. Given that the wallet was stolen from my desk at work, and the temp worker showed up a few days later with a fresh nail job, I have my suspicions about who the thief was, but the security people could never prove it. Sad for me. Fortunately, I called the bank when I realized my wallet was missing, and caught the charges right away. I was out a few hundred while the bank verified that the charges were fake, but I got it all back within a couple of days.

Date: 2008-05-01 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvet4269.livejournal.com
It's actually pretty common; and if they haven't already, I HIGHLY recommend they both put alerts on all three credit reports (and check them IMMEDIATELY), and with Social Security.

I work in a bank (mostly teller supervisor, but my specialty is more operations than sales). A customer of mine (whom I've known for 5 years) came in one day to open up another account, and we discovered the address on the account had been changed to an address in Georgia. A quick look showed that not only had the address been changed, but an entirely new account had been opened over-the-phone, 2 months prior, and was currently overdrawn.

We immediately put legal restraints on the fraudulent account, closed out the debit card, put passwords on every account, changed the address & phone number back to my customer's real address and phone number, filled out all the identity theft paperwork, and I set her on her way to Social Security, the Credit Bureaus, and everywhere else she needed to go.

Upon reviewing her credit report, she discovered that the person in Georgia had opened 17 credit cards in her name, within that 2 month period. My customer was able to call and get them closed out. We still had to argue with my bank for a bit, because they didn't get the original paperwork, but once I got a person with a clue on the phone, I was able to get it sorted out for my customer, and get monies refunded (our Risk Operations department did Right of Offset for overdrawn amounts in the fraudulent account; although how nobody noticed that my customer in Texas with lots of money is suddenly bouncing checks in Georgia, I have no idea).

Fast forward a year & a half later, and my customer gets a call from H&R Block in Georgia. Apparently, the scammer had gone into an H&R Block location and filed her taxes, and tried to get one of the pre-paid tax refund cards using my customer's Social Security Number.

Fortunately, the alerts on her SSN, and the fact that there's an open police report in Georgia for this person, meant the scammer didn't make off with any money; and my customer loves us, but that's a whole other story.

Other things I've seen, in my near-6-years working in the bank: someone who stole some checks *misspelled the customer's name when he signed it* and the clerk at the grocery store didn't even bother to look.

Date: 2008-05-01 06:24 pm (UTC)
elbales: (Mouse wheel)
From: [personal profile] elbales
It's crazy how few clerks really look at checks, or at credit cards, for that matter. No one even bothers to check signatures any more.

You get infinite Good Karma points for your work practices. Do you want to come handle my bank account? ;)

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] velvet4269.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 06:26 pm (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] syneblue.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-02 04:39 pm (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com - Date: 2008-05-01 10:33 pm (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2008-05-01 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mustang-bex1126.livejournal.com
Cleo- a few months (possibly, my internet timeline is always wonky) You posted about your mom realizing she was a star in your LJ and her concerns regarding our impressions of her:

I'm not certain this thread would necessarily dissuade her (being compared to Cloverfield is lolz for us, maybe not for her?) but I should think that it is very clear your mother has a FANDOM now... at the very least we all 'love her and despair!!!!!!!!!!' ;-)

Date: 2008-05-01 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Heh--I told her about the Clover comparison and she laughed. I think it felt empowering after the day she'd had (standing in line at the DMV trying to re-pay for the family car tags on her lunch hour, while the deputy on duty let eight of ten women go to lunch all at once). I think she's more worried about coming off as irrational ("BLOCKS OF WOOOOOD!") than scary, because she's only scary when it's deeply deserved.
Page 1 of 2 << [1] [2] >>
Page generated Feb. 9th, 2026 10:29 pm
Powered by Dreamwidth Studios