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Well, now that that's out of the way:

Last night we had terrible thunder and lightning, heavy rain, and FRICKIN' HAIL. Fortunately, we've gotten three roof estimates: $9600, $6300, and... $4900. That last one? It's from an up-and-coming business that's trying to undercut the competition to get business and its name out there. The guy was very clean-cut, very professional, and told us that he would have five guys and a supervisor at our house and be done in two days. Mr. Almost Ten Thousand Dollars said it would take nearly a week, AND he claims we have rotten wood up there, which is a little like taking your car to a mechanic for an oil change and then being told that you need a new transmission. New Business Guy, on the other hand, said that he didn't see any, and he gave us either three or five references, I forget which, of previous customers that we could (and, knowing my mother, will) call to confirm the quality of their work. If he lives up to his pitch, I'll give y'all the company's name when they're done.

Meanwhile, my internet's been almost completely out the last couple of evenings because of storms, so I'm massively behind on a lot of things. I assume, however, that nothing cataclysmic has happened, or I would have seen it on Yahoo. Probably.

In the meantime, I've been working on my Fantasy Opus, which... sounds incredibly deluded, now that I put it that way. I mean, who doesn't have a Fantasy Opus they've kept in a drawer for twenty years? And mine really is nearly twenty years old--yes, I've been working on it since I was eight, which cannot be a good sign. It's funny, looking over it, to see how much it's changed--hell, when I started, there were talking animals, and now there aren't any. (Well, if there are, they're exceptions to the rule. It's not like Narnia, is what I'm saying.) Major character names have changed, and some of them fairly recently. The biggest problem has been chronology--there are really dozens of storylines, so that basically you could have a series of novels, except that I keep forgetting that Such and Such could not have happened before This and That because Such-and-Such is This-and-That's son. So I sat down while I didn't have internet access and tried to write up a list of everything that happens, and put it in order, which I hadn't successfully done before, mostly because there are five or six countries all with their own histories, and I'd never integrated them all before. And the histories aren't complete, either, which makes it difficult to figure out when and where and who and what and why.

But I put together what I know, and it was... kind of breathtaking. I don't mean the quality of work was breathtaking--I mean that, as a writer, it was amazing to see all the ideas in one place and get a sense, for myself, of continuity. Births, marriages, deaths, battles, reconciliations--and I finally realized that I am going to have to write a favorite character's death, because according to this, he's somewhere around 100 in the later stories and I haven't killed him yet. He's got to go sometime, you know? Doesn't matter if he was in his twenties when he first appeared; the reader deserves to see the end, too, rather than for me to just cop out and have him fade away while his family is still front and center. And seeing it all as a big picture made it a little easier to contemplate, actually.

However, I've got to think of a way to date things. I don't want to borrow the Tolkien conceit of such-and-such year, the Third Age, but... it's supremely weird seeing in my notes that a character was born in 1983.

A couple of links before I go:

Season one (and two. Oops) Lost spoilers: Our favorite siblings are dating in real life.

A print-on-demand publisher PODs her own work and puts it on Amazon. And Powells. And Barnes and Noble. There's absolutely nothing wrong here... except that "her work" is "an alternate-universe Star Wars fanfic." Shouldn't this be... you know... a major legal problem? "Yes, it is for sale on Amazon, but only my family, friends and acquaintances know it’s there." Oh! Well, then! Everyone knows that this completely negates any previous copyright holdings!

If you listen very closely, you can hear sort of a wah... wah sound--the sound of George Lucas's Sith Lawyer Darth Junction firing up the twin blades of his Mighty Mighty Lightsaber of Cease and Desist.


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Date: 2006-04-21 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reannon.livejournal.com
Oh dear Jesus on his throne. That idiot publisher is exactly why people say bad things about POD, when it really should be considered a technology and not a sign of UTTER STUPIDITY.

I am so quoting you on the Lightsaber of Cease and Desist.

Date: 2006-04-21 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Heh. It took me a good five minutes to think of a legal term that started with "in-."

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Bwa ha ha!

Date: 2006-04-21 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anonymisty.livejournal.com
I clicked on the Lost spoilers link, and I got this:

The requested page is currently unavailable
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Your organization has chosen to limit viewing of this site (http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/04/20/lost_siblings_are_dating_in_real_life), due to the rating of its content (lingerie/bikini).


Cleolinda, leading me astray to an immoral bikini site? Say it isn't so!! *grin*


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Date: 2006-04-21 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kookaburra1701.livejournal.com
Ha ha ha! My college put that filter on our campus webblocking software (we have a filter that restricts access to adult sites and stuff - a little annoying, but it doesn't bother me too much because they told us what they do before we enrolled. Anyway.) So one day I was going to get some stockings at victoriassecret.com, and I found it had been blocked because of "Lingerie/bikini" issues. The outcry from the female student population (there's a 3:1 female/male ratio) was so great that within 24 hours that filter had been removed and the people who had originally put it there were practically hiding under their desks because so many women had been hounding them.
/random anecdote

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Date: 2006-04-21 02:54 pm (UTC)
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Whoa. Is this thing going to be your 'Realms of the Unreal' (http://dir.salon.com/story/books/review/2002/07/23/darger/index.html)?

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Date: 2006-04-21 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snapdragon76.livejournal.com
*sighs* I for one like to read some fanfic, because it's mostly done for fun. But this woman has completely missed the point.If she wanted to write a fanfic, fine. If she wanted to self-publish it, whatever. If she wanted her friends to have a copy, that's cool. But to post it on Amazon? Dude! I hope she deosn't complain when she gets crucified for this...


Dumb dumb dumb...

Date: 2006-04-21 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elysian-dreams.livejournal.com
It's actually kind of frightening how people are publishing material that started out as a fanfiction; I know of at least two poeple with more than one book each who are publishing/have published their fanfics through a personal publisher(is it called a vanity press?). Just because they changed the names and storyline, I still think it counts as copyright infringement. If I were the original creator I would definitely go after people who published fanfictions.

Date: 2006-04-21 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eyespaintedred.livejournal.com
Why am I so shocked/horrified that Shannon and Boone are dating in RL? It's not the lingering pseudo-incest stuff left over from the show--it's just, come on y'all. It's such a preposterous start to a relationship that it just has to be doomed. "So, how did you two meet?" "Well, Ian was my brotherlover on this little TV show LOST, and the chemistry was just undeniable!" Urg.

Date: 2006-04-21 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crumpeteer.livejournal.com
How is it that this "editor" doesn't seem to know what a thousand 14 year old Mary Sue writers on FF.net do? And if it's an alternate universe Star Wars fiction, how much harder would it have been just to write your own characters.

The unspeakable stupidity blinds me.

Date: 2006-04-21 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I know, man. You'd think an editor/publisher would KNOW.

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Date: 2006-04-21 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lumaria.livejournal.com
Thank goodness Shannon and Boone were only stepsiblings, because people who date their TV brothersisters squick me out (See also: Behr, Jason and Heigl, Katherine). But since they weren't really brother and sister on Lost, I am not squicked but rather fascinated that they're dating.

Date: 2006-04-21 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yarha.livejournal.com
Uh..buh..buh..but, even if they *were* bro and sis on TV, they *aren't* in RL...yes? It's the RL that matters. :)

Yarha, Nothing More Unreal than Television

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Date: 2006-04-21 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] particle-person.livejournal.com
Have you been keeping up with TNH vs. Agent Bauer (http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/007450.html) Making Lightward? TNH is asking people to link to the 20 Worst Agents list (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28961).

Date: 2006-04-21 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I haven't read my RSS feeds all week, so I'm not up on that at the moment, but I swear I thought you meant Jack Bauer at first. "Man, what'd The Kief do to her?"

Date: 2006-04-21 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frodosgoosegirl.livejournal.com
Mehh roofers. They came to my house today. I woke up to the pounding on the roof just as my mother came in to close my blinds. "The roofers are here." "No, really." But they're supposed to be done in two days so that's nice.

Date: 2006-04-21 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sing1118.livejournal.com
Has this been submitted to [livejournal.com profile] mock_the_stupid? Because it really, really needs to be.

Date: 2006-04-21 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sing1118.livejournal.com
Just the SW part, I mean.

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Date: 2006-04-21 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yarha.livejournal.com
Well, maybe you could have your favorite character apotheosized. "Go directly to the afterlife: do not pass death, do not collect pain and suffering" so to speak. It may be cheating, but what the hell? Whose story is it, anyway? :p

Ah, well, that's what I'd do, just 'cause I'm always tempted to write a story about someone who becomes a deity (in a humorous vein, of course). I suppose 'The Primal Order' (gods and goddesses roleplaying) captured my imagination in my youth. Perhaps I just hate death. :p

Plus, I've always been interested in exploratory theology. Theological fiction? Something like that.

Yarha, Babbling Along, Wheee!

Date: 2006-04-21 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yarha.livejournal.com
George Lucas's Sith Lawyer Darth Junction

"The Stupid is strong in this one."

Yarha, May the Stupid Be with You

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Date: 2006-04-21 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karaway.livejournal.com
this is going to sound ever so lame and I apologize for being such a geek in advance, but make sure you get a certificate of insurance from whatever roofer you go with. It's a one page thingie that shows you that they do in fact have proper insurance , it's made out to you guys, it's free, it only takes a minute..it's what I do for a living.

Sorry - now I'll go back to being my snarky, mostly lurking self :)

K

Date: 2006-04-21 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamthemoon.livejournal.com
HOLY CRAP AU SW FANFIC FOR SALE WTF

Date: 2006-04-21 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nickel.livejournal.com
I've worked on roofs before, and with five expert guys and a foreman, a medium size residential home can be redone in two days. Easy. I wasn't involved in the financial aspect of it, but not only did they replace all the tarpaper and shingles, they also replaced all of the wood. Two days. I wouldn't dismiss this guy's claim.

Date: 2006-04-21 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bardintraining.livejournal.com
The biggest bwahahaha came when I checked out Amazon and looked at a blown-up picture of the cover, and lo-and-behold it says "Copyrighted Material" up near the top.
I wonder if that's just for the cover image or if it's a disclaimer for the entire contents of the binding? *eyeroll*

Because, CAKE!

Date: 2006-04-21 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spooke.livejournal.com
In return for your many, many cool links and recaps and you-ness, I offer: CAKE! (http://kimberlychapman.com/crafts/cakes/cakegalleryplain.html)

Date: 2006-04-21 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saint-kat.livejournal.com
So, a fanfic writer (never mind one who works in a print-on-demand publishing house) can have one's work published and listed on Amazon lickety split? Hmm...where do I sign up?

I'm joking, of course. :P

Seriously, I doubt this woman knew that her work was going to pose a legal threat to George Lucas. Though, I wouldn't be suprised if he found out about this book and slapped her with a lawsuit for copyright infringment, unless he's the type of author who doesn't mind having people use his characters in fanfic.

Date: 2006-04-21 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
My understanding is that Lucasfilm is smart enough to realize that fanfic/fan creativity is something it should tolerate and/or encourage (like, I know Kevin Smith has hosted entire Sci-Fi specials on SW fan films), but no one, ever, allows anyone to make money on their property without prior consent (for example, one of their Expanded Universe novels). Your garden variety fanfic is fine--unless you're selling it. And though writers/creators run the gamut from "ZOMG DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT" (Anne Rice) to "I'll even encourage it as long as I don't have to look at it and compromise myself legally" (JK Rowling, IIRC), *no one*, ever, is okay with profiting from fanfic. And I think a lot of that has to do with them protecting their copyright--if you let one person profit from it, it turns into this slippery slope. Kind of the way Kleenex was asking people to say "Kleenex® tissues" instead of "kleenex."

And this woman, of all people? Should know that. His lawyers are going to throw the book at her, and I wouldn't blame them.

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Date: 2006-04-21 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aetra.livejournal.com
Yes, please, about the roofer. I have a leaky feeling I will need one soon and I, too, reside in the Ham.

I, too, have an opus, although it's SF. And it was started when I was 12 in...1977. Coincidence?

Date: 2006-04-21 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I'll definitely let you know--I don't even know his name at the moment, but I think they start work on Monday.

Date: 2006-04-22 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] txvoodoo.livejournal.com
Have you seen this software? http://www.screenplay.com/products/sv/index.htm

Date: 2006-04-22 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
VIRTUAL INDEX CARDS HOLY SHIT. I seriously was sitting there the other night wishing for that!

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Date: 2006-04-22 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunshine95.livejournal.com
A print-on-demand publisher PODs her own work and puts it on Amazon.

BAH-LEETED! (http://www.thenaberriegirls.com/interview.html): "Thank you for your interest in Another Hope. The book has been removed from the Books in Print database and will be removed from book distribution channels effective Tuesday, April 24, 2006."

Date: 2006-04-22 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvet4269.livejournal.com
I had just posted this, and deleted it.

*eyes the calendar* Um ... yeah. Tuesday, April 24, 2006.

Did we need more proof?

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Date: 2006-04-22 08:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edda.livejournal.com
If you listen very closely, you can hear sort of a wah... wah sound--the sound of George Lucas's Sith Lawyer Darth Junction firing up the twin blades of his Mighty Mighty Lightsaber of Cease and Desist.

Heeheehee!

Date: 2006-04-22 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eofs.livejournal.com
I'm probably too late here but... the Lost season 1 spoilers? Totally also contained Lost season 2 spoilers.

At least, I'm pretty certain it happens in season 2. Season 2 hasn't actually aired yet here, and it came as a pretty damn big surprise, so I don't think I'm just forgetting it happening in season 1.

Date: 2006-04-22 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Oops--I was just thinking of the fact that they hook up, a season 1 spoiler. I'd forgotten if they mentioned anything more, uh, lethal. Eeek!

Date: 2006-04-27 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foresthouse.livejournal.com
What exactly is the Fantasy Opus - it sounds fascinating but I'm not sure if I understand - is it a series of stories you are working on, or what?

*is confused*

Date: 2006-04-27 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Well, I'm being intentionally vague about it. It could end up being a series of novels, I'm not sure.

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Date: 2009-08-13 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raberbagirl.livejournal.com
The biggest problem has been chronology--there are really dozens of storylines, so that basically you could have a series of novels, except that I keep forgetting that Such and Such could not have happened before This and That because Such-and-Such is This-and-That's son.

That is EXACTLY what I'm going through with my own fantasy opus. I've been working on it in one form or another for ten years, and the complicatedness is stressing me out so bad that I frequently get tempted to scrap it all and start over. Except that all the storylines are still in my head, even if the written notes are gone.... >_
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