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omg Pride and Prejudice so good. So many people showed up that they had to split half of us off into a separate theater. If you're an Austen purist, you'll probably hate it, but I tend to roll with whatever a movie wants to do if it works within the movie itself ("WHAT??? THE WHITE WITCH IS BLONDE????? Hey, she looks pretty good..."). I'm easy, what can I say. We spent most of the movie, as a theater, in a constant giggle, so it was literally a feel-good movie--I walked out on a high that probably would have lasted all night if I hadn't been immediately jumped at the door by everyone wanting to dump their problems on me (but that's another story for another time.)

Their Darcy is hot, too. Not "pretty," but hawt, in a sideburned Byronesque kind of way. He and Keira Knightley had chemistry like whoa and there were three scenes so hot that all the girls were fanning themselves (the Netherfield ball, the botched proposal, and "Your hands are cold"). And speaking of Keira, I thought she was fabulous, and the scene where Mr. Collins attempts to make his move is worth the price of admission just for the reaction shots. Also, now I want to swan about in slightly dingy empire dresses and go tramping through fields in my super-awesome coat of +4 Bronte Brooding. (Again, if you're a purist, you'll hate it.)

Speaking of which, I couldn't really tell you why they choose to adapt the book a bit more loosely than, say, the miniseries--new bits of dialogue and what I think are some changed scenes (it's been years since I last read the book)--but I like the final product, so I didn't see any point in quibbling over it. Unlike a lot of the expensive fantasy franchises coming out these days, this is not the only take we'll see on the story (or at least the only take we'll see for years upon years). It's one of those stories, much like the collected works of Shakespeare, that we get redone every decade or so and really, I don't see any point in taking the miniseries and just photoshopping different actors in. If you're going to do it again, you may as well do it a bit differently, I figure. And I liked how this one was all scrubby and farmy and had chickens in the backyard--not only was it more about the realities of life at the time (a lot of filming in natural--or near natural--light, for example), but you got a better sense of Elizabeth's "inferior circumstances" that everyone's always going on about. And there was some gorgeous long-take camera work and excellent scenery (omg those big houses), so at the end of the day, I say two thumbs up, fine holiday fun.

Otherwise I'm tired and a little frazzled, and I have to start gearing myself up to think about starting to not put off my ten-page annotated bibliography before Monday, when it's actually due.


Tonight's Read-Along Movie: Braveheart on Bravo.

MP3 players: Someone recommended Creative Zen to me as being $100 less than the iPod (and therefore you could buy one with more GB) and having more reliable batteries as well. Anyone have experience with cZens, to coin a word?

[livejournal.com profile] wumbawoman: "Happy turkies and hopefully this will be a feel good story for you. An anonymous donor has promised to pay for anywhere from 65-100% of the colledge tuition for any student who graduates from Kalamazoo, MI ISD and attends a Michigan Public college or university."

Ex-FEMA Head Starts Disaster Planning Firm. And then whatever Michael Brown tells you to do, do the opposite.

I just realized that this is the reason Brownie was insisting that he wasn't crap at FEMA.

RIP Pat Morita. P.S. All "wax on, wax off" jokes have already been taken.

Fairies stop developers' bulldozers in their tracks.

Whatever you do, don't finish your novel.

Some guy informs Neil Gaiman that he doesn't know exactly what a fabulist is, but could Neil tell him if he (Neil) is one? Unca Neil's reply: "Er. But if I am a fabulist, I have no idea why I am. (As I said to someone who asked a similar question at a Q&A recently, It's because I'm me and it's what I like to write. I don't think I have a convenient origin story, such as 'When I was five years old I was bitten by a radioactive myth'.)" (I think I swiped the fairies link off him, too.)

Neal Stephenson on Dante writers vs. Beowulf writers--the academic and the popular. Reading this, I realized that I've spent the last ten years or so slowly extricating myself from the Dante writer side, the side where creative writing students are taught to become creative writing professors so they can teach more creative students and produce more creative writing professors. I'd go to writing conferences and hear authors read, some of them really good, and some of them well enough known that there was excitement in the building when their names were mentioned, and these were still people that 99% percent of the population would never hear of. I don't mean in the sense that they would never be celebrities; I mean in the sense that they would never be read. Occasionally we'd have a Ray Bradbury or a David Sedaris and that would be awesome, but mostly we would have people who... well, one of my professors was sassy enough to tell us the truth. She said that a lot of the writers of High Literature are writing for each other and for the literary magazines they run. They're not writing things that people, "normal people," actually want to read, and they characterize the things those normal people read as "crap," "trash," and "populist." And some of the things we read are--I'm not going to try to defend the works of Dan Brown or Jackie Collins or [insert author's name here] for one second. The problem is that you create this hierarchy where the academics will approve of a good book that no one reads, but when it suddenly becomes a hit and finds an audience, they all shrink away and disavow it, which is pretty much what my sister did with Orlando Bloom: she couldn't like him anymore because... everyone else did. My point is, academics have set up a system where they seem to believe that only bad books make money, and good books never do. I like Stephenson's explanation of the Dante writers and the Beowulf writers, myself. But I realized that I didn't want to be a Dante writer, and have been shifting over towards the Beowulf side for the last few years now. I didn't want to depend on grants and patrons for a living; I wanted to write things people would actually want to read, and earn a living from that.

If nothing else, read it for the line, "In order to set her straight, I had to let her know that the reason she'd never heard of me was because I was famous."



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Date: 2005-11-26 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alysscarlet.livejournal.com
Thought you might be interested in this:

The Pride and Prejudice film had two minutes cut off the end for its British release. This article in The Times (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14929-1872408,00.html) sets out the reasons and the details:

"The British version of the film instead concludes with Elizabeth’s father giving his consent when Mr Darcy asks for his daughter’s hand in marriage. “And if any young men come for Mary or Kitty, send them in, for I am quite at my leisure,” he declares, in the film’s final line. American audiences, however, are treated to a lingering shot of Elizabeth and Mr Darcy kissing under moonlight, on a terrace. Mr Darcy asks his new wife how he should address her. Should he, he inquires, call her Mrs Darcy? She replies that he should only call her that if he is absolutely in love with her. “Mrs Darcy . . . Mrs Darcy,” he repeats as the credits roll."

Date: 2005-11-26 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I understand why they did it, because that ending is a bit much--they skip any glimmering of a wedding, so when they're basically sitting out over the--I dunno, that ornamental lake thing at Pemberley--in severe dishabille, the audience kind of went, "Say WHAT?" until we realized they were supposed to be married already. It's a little abrupt, and they have the poor guy say "Mrs. Darcy" about three times too many. I'm glad we got it rather than not, but I can see why they might cut it.

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Date: 2005-11-26 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neveth.livejournal.com
I've had an older model creative zen (not the one that looks more podlike) for about 2 years now, and it's wooooonderful. battery life is amazing, I don't listen to it constantly, but in general my experience is that the batteries will last about a week, maybe a couple days less, depending on usage.

Date: 2005-11-26 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theonlykow.livejournal.com
I have the Nomad Zen 2/3. I agree with everything [livejournal.com profile] neveth says about it. They're a bit chunkier, but I hate the Nano and other things that just try to be smaller and smaller. I need something I won't fucking lose, haha.

Date: 2005-11-26 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] derryderrydown.livejournal.com
I've got a Zen Touch and I love it to bits. I've had it for about a year now and it's never given me a moment of trouble. They are slightly bigger than iPods but that's because the battery is bigger. And, considering how much cheaper they are, I really don't mind it being half a centimetre thicker.

Date: 2005-11-26 05:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] girlalmighty
I want to see Pride and Prejudice, but it doesn't seem to be showing in my town. The place where I go to college is dinky like that . . . although I did get to see RENT yesterday. I'm much the same about films - if it works in the film and doesn't seem arbitrary, then go for it. Although I still don't know why Padma Patil and Eloise Midgen were transferred to Gryffindor.

Date: 2005-11-26 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphires13.livejournal.com
I got to see the first ten minutes of RENT yesterday...

...and then the film melted. Literally. And they gave everyone rainchecks.

Date: 2005-11-26 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saiyajenn.livejournal.com
I have a 30GB Creative Mp3 player. I love it a lot. The only problem I had with it is that it had trouble loading my music library one day, and I lost a lot of songs. But, I don't think that is a common problem. I really think it's a great player with a great battery and definitely a good buy.

Date: 2005-11-26 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nasus221.livejournal.com
Same thing happened to me with Orlando Bloom!

Date: 2005-11-26 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naienko.livejournal.com
Like a couple other people, I have a Creative, the Zen Xtra 30GB, and I love it. I have worn the shit out of the battery (I listen to it all day everyday at work) and I can tell you that the battery life should run you about 12 hours between recharges, but it recharges pretty fast and so far I haven't actually worn it out. However, it's very easy to replace.
The only issue I have with the Creative models is that you absolutely have to use their proprietary software, which doesn't always run all that well. Other than that, though, I think it's a much better deal than the iPod.

Date: 2005-11-26 06:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tinyammmy
I've got an itty bitty Zen Micro (4GB) because I'm poor - BUT I love it to death. One thing to watch for v. the iPod is that mine, at least, does not play mp4s, so you may have to convert some of your iTunes library to mp3 if it's not already in that format. That said, it's a really nice player and I have no real complaints.

Date: 2005-11-26 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madplanet.livejournal.com
I have a Zen Micro, and I love it. I've not had a single problem with it, and I'm pretty hard on my mp3 players. The battery life is good and the sound quality leaves me with no complaints. It's pretty adorable, too.

Date: 2005-11-26 06:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] atalantapendrag.livejournal.com
Ah, our wonderful, beloved Neil. He mentioned "Jerry Springer: The Opera" and now I am just waiting for a chance to use "three-nippled cousin-fucker".

Date: 2005-11-26 06:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] giina.livejournal.com
I went in loving Matthew MacFayden (ahh, I miss him on MI-5/Spooks), and I agree he and Keira had tons of chemistry. I also loved Rosamund Pike and Simon Woods (Jane/Mr. Bingley) -- of course their on-screen chemistry wasn't hurt by the fact that they actually dated in real life. (;

Date: 2005-11-26 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Did they really! I had no idea. He was just such a sweet doofy guy--I loved the part near the end where Darcy was having to coach him.

Date: 2005-11-26 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sawcat.livejournal.com
MacFayden is more my style of Darcy too. I didn't like the added ending, it just didn't feel right to me, atleast the way they tacked it on. I'm by no means a purist (I love the 1940 version and all its corny-ness), but I'm sure they could have done a scene with the same purpose that fit better with the rest of the film. I just hope the dvd has the main film with the original ending and the new one in the deleted scenes area.

One thing I really like about this version is showing all the stolen glances. And when Darcy's waiting at the end. I thought Mr Collins announcing himself to Mr. Darcy at the Netherfield Ball was just a riot.

Don't forget the score, the score is just beautiful.

Date: 2005-11-26 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bardintraining.livejournal.com
Bingley grabbing the back of Jane's skirt was just such a cute moment, I nearly died.

And check it out: clips!

http://www.focusfeatures.com/viewer.php?f=pride_and_prejudice&c=epk1&ext=mov&w=480&h=204

http://www.focusfeatures.com/viewer.php?f=pride_and_prejudice&c=epk2&ext=mov&w=480&h=204

http://www.focusfeatures.com/viewer.php?f=pride_and_prejudice&c=epk3&ext=mov&w=480&h=204

http://www.focusfeatures.com/viewer.php?f=pride_and_prejudice&c=epk4&ext=mov&w=480&h=204

http://www.focusfeatures.com/viewer.php?f=pride_and_prejudice&c=epk5&ext=mov&w=480&h=204

http://www.focusfeatures.com/viewer.php?f=pride_and_prejudice&c=epk6&ext=mov&w=480&h=204

http://www.focusfeatures.com/viewer.php?f=pride_and_prejudice&c=epk7&ext=mov&w=480&h=204

http://www.focusfeatures.com/viewer.php?f=pride_and_prejudice&c=epk8&ext=mov&w=480&h=204

Mmmmm soggy Darcy proposal...

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Date: 2005-11-26 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scornedsaint.livejournal.com
Thanks for posting something about the "cZen". I'm in the market for some sort of mP3 player, and as Consumer Reports has still not done anything recent (et tu Consumer Reports? How could you betray me like this?), I'll take what I can get. Thank you to everyone who has posted about theirs.

One thing I've heard is that it scratches easily. This true?

Date: 2005-11-27 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotusbiosm.livejournal.com
Mine came with a case that is padded and covers practically the whole thing, except the screen and the sides (where the buttons are). I've totally dropped it several times on not-soft surfaces and I don't think it's scratched yet. It might without the case though.

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Date: 2005-11-26 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theatre-angel.livejournal.com
Squeeeee. I've never read any of Austen's books, but I was practically falling out of my seat at the romantic hotness. Mr. Darcy was indescribably sexy. And I'm still not over that scene in the rain. EEEEEEE.

That being said, I am very sad about Pat Morita.

Date: 2005-11-26 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I'm still knocked out by how hot that entire movie was, and most of the hotness was just the way people smoldered at each other.

Date: 2005-11-26 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beizy.livejournal.com
The Creative Zen is fantastic. Bigger, but with, say, the Touch? 20 gigs for $230. You can't really beat it. Plays great, screen is great, and the battery hasn't failed me yet.

Date: 2005-11-26 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crypticidentity.livejournal.com
Omg. That "Don't finish your novel" thing is amazing. Especially since I'm working on a NaNoWriMo novel right now.

Date: 2005-11-26 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arielchan.livejournal.com
You had to pick now to start mentioning .mp3 players, didn't you?

My family finally settled our troubles with Best Buy, and I went with my mother as she finally bought me a new 30 gig video iPod. I've been asking for one for two years. Best Buy had to break my laptop and run me around for months before I could finally get one.

Date: 2005-11-26 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misspearl.livejournal.com
Yay Pride and Prej! Saw it in September with a huge group of girlfriends and Spanish exchanges (who, strangely enough, loved it too) and we all came out in hysterical squeeage over Mr Darcy (and sort of Mr Bingley - how damn cute (in the British way, I took to going 'Awwwww' whenever I saw him)was he?). I thought I was going to hate it, because I'm quite a purist about book adaptations in general and I was sure Kiera was going to screw up Lizzy but I really liked it.

Date: 2005-11-26 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] livinthegoodlfe.livejournal.com
I had a Creative MuVo Slim, and it worked pretty good. Not sure about all the other models, but the volume was very much so lacking power. Battery was good, but I hate to admit but I sold it on eBay to buy a nano. I don't really regret it, because my nano works fine, and holds 380 more songs than the Creative.

Date: 2005-11-26 07:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] karintheswede
Me = Austen purist. Primary fandom.

However: I loved the new movie. I liked the choices they'd made, the photography, the messy house, etc. I thought it was fabulous. I liked it so much that I had to go and see it again.

Date: 2005-11-26 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
YAY!

(See, I can kind of understand why LOTR/Potter people get so worked up about changes and "mistakes," because it'll be decades before they remake the movies, if ever, but with books like P&P that get remade pretty frequently, I feel like people need to give things a chance.)

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Date: 2005-11-26 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninepointfivemm.livejournal.com
*raises brow at the fairies thing* ... I do like the MacFeng Shui they talked about, though. ;)

Date: 2005-11-26 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filwdork.livejournal.com
I've already seen P&P twice, once with my mother and again with three of my best friends. We all sighed and swooned over Mr. Darcy. And we all LOVED Colin Firth as Mr. Darcy but Matthew McFayden won me over. Mostly with the scorching looks of desire. And I totally almost melted when you see him striding across the grass...YUM!

I really loved the miniseries but I loved this one too. I liked the Jane better in this one and the Mr. Collins. I just enjoyed it and I thought the shots were beautiful and the score was amazing. All in all, I loved it and P&P is one of my favorite books.

Date: 2005-11-26 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bardintraining.livejournal.com
I had to go see P&P three times since it came out, and only stopped because I really can't afford this...even though I saw GoF for the second time last night and Narnia isn't even OUT yet...ohgodI'mgoingtogobrokethiswinter.
Each time was a singular experience in itself.
First: Went with two friends, a guy and a girl. Make *squee* njooises with girl and snarky comments with guy, who enjoyed it so thoroughly that I have been faced with comments from others questioning his sexuality--I find it admirable that he can revel so much in the period-romance genre that he insists he's going to go home and fire up his BitTorrents.
Second: went with a girl who was dead against Austen and only came cos she had to read the book for class--put a bit of a damper on things. But thank God the theatre was full of fangirls who obviously didn't know the story at all. It just brings back some the magic of your first brush with P&P when you have a dozen girls in front of you going "awww!" in either lust, disappointed hopes, or awe. Comments were priceless too. Like, when Lizzie's having her wee breakdown outside after Bingley's return, in the midst of the silence all I can hear is one girl right in front of me going "Dude, that is a fucking huge tree!" Also all the old people couples were at that show and smiling benevolently upon the fangirls.
Third time went with caustic-tongued friend who is a fangirl in denial. Who made fun of me for bursting into gleeful, noisy tears at the end. I actually burst into tears. BURST. There was supression, build up, then finally it just all shot out from between my fingers--I had both hands clamped tightly over my face. Bwah! The first two times I was absolutely FINE...then suddenly I'm melting faster than Saran-wrap stretched around the principal's car on the last day of school before summer vacation.

Date: 2005-11-26 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sorchar.livejournal.com
I love that news story about the fairy rock. Good for the villagers.

Date: 2005-11-26 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I liked that the thing got redesigned so that it just happened to include a small park with a strange standing stone in the middle. Hee.

Date: 2005-11-26 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sorchar.livejournal.com
Also? That last bit about the climate of academia and writing reminds me so much of my friend Lyn's experience. She wanted to write genre fiction and of course was told it was worthless and trash. Luckily, she didn't listen.

Date: 2005-11-26 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Yeah, genre fic is deeply unwelcome at most classes I've been in. And I mean, I respect that people are trying to create art at some level, but on another, they're just teaching people how to fail at supporting themselves. Is it so terrible for a story to have a plot and things actually happening?

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