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I don't know if Dracula seems so different to me now because I'm older, or because I'm a different reader, or because I'm a different writer than I used to be, but... it was a (say it with me) different experience this time around. (Of course, this is also what happened when I reread Jane Eyre, formerly my favorite book, for the first time in many years--it was a completely new experience.) Also, I had the Klinger footnotes sitting on my shoulder pointing a lot of things out, which cannot be disregarded.

(I will say one more thing about the footnotes: for the Sherlock set, Klinger explained in depth these very convoluted theories Holmesians have about various plot points--my favorite being that Holmes wasn't a witness to Irene Adler's marriage; he was the groom, and that subsequent remarks or events or absences in the stories refer to their relationship. Which... no. I mean, obviously this is as much my opinion as that theory is theirs, but to say that Holmes ever had any further dealings with Adler is to miss what I feel is the point of the character, which is precisely The Antagonist Who Got Away. And, you know, marrying her kind of negates the "got away" part. You know. JUST A LITTLE BIT. Anyway. My point is, Klinger explains various theories to the extent of their hilarity, and it's great. In the Dracula annotations, he mentions the theories of various scholars who believe that 1) Quincey Morris was actually on Dracula's side, or that 2) Mina betrayed the gang, or that 3) Dracula himself did not actually die but "convinced" Stoker to write the story as if he did to cover up his continuing existence. And he keeps alluding to these theories, and I kept thinking, MAN, when we get to the last chapter and he really gets going on "This is the part I was talking about, let me tell you all about it," it's going to be AWESOME. But you get there, and it's like, "Remember how I was telling you back in chapter 12 about that theory? Yeah. That was it." That's all? Well... okay? And maybe that's because the theories themselves are... kind of cracked-out, and there might not really be any way to make them sound reasonable,* so it's just, "Well, there's a theory, there it is." I don't know. The Holmesian theories are WAY more cracked-out, though, and rest on even less evidence, and we got plenty about them, so... I don't know.)

* There's actually a really good theory that Dracula isn't the one who kills the crew of the Demeter--he doesn't have to kill in order to feed, and why would he want to put himself in danger by wrecking his own ship? The theory is that it is, rather, the superstitious, excitable Romanian first mate who realizes that there's a vampire on board and starts killing all the sailors "tainted" by Dracula before they could potentially turn into vampires themselves. In fact, Klinger notes that the captain's vision of "He--It!" "could have been... a genuine observation of a very nervous... Dracula, pacing the deck with worry that his transport was about to founder." Klinger also points out that the crew of the Czarina Catherine gets Dracula back to Transylvania without incident.

ANYWAY. A few things I would like to touch upon:

1) I would love to see another movie adaptation, because I believe there is still a ton of imagery and material that no movie, to my knowledge, has made effective use of. One of the things I loved on this reread was Mina's dreamlike struggle to climb the hundred or so steps to the churchyard--she can see Lucy at the top of the hill, but she can't reach her:

There was a bright full moon, with heavy black, driving clouds, which threw the whole scene into a fleeting diorama of light and shade as they sailed across. For a moment or two I could see nothing, as the shadow of a cloud obscured St. Mary's Church and all around it. Then as the cloud passed I could see the ruins of the abbey coming into view, and as the edge of a narrow band of light as sharp as a sword-cut moved along, the church and churchyard became gradually visible. Whatever my expectation was, it was not disappointed, for there, on our favourite seat, the silver light of the moon struck a half-reclining figure, snowy white. The coming of the cloud was too quick for me to see much, for shadow shut down on light almost immediately, but it seemed to me as though something dark stood behind the seat where the white figure shone, and bent over it. What it was, whether man or beast, I could not tell.

The time and distance seemed endless, and my knees trembled and my breath came laboured as I toiled up the endless steps to the abbey. I must have gone fast, and yet it seemed to me as if my feet were weighted with lead, and as though every joint in my body were rusty.

And then--I guess the steps curve around the hill?--she reaches the gate and the church itself blocks her view; by the time she can see Lucy again, "Lucy [lay] half reclining with her head lying over the back of the seat. She was quite alone, and there was not a sign of any living thing about." I mean, you can see it happening in your head like a movie, it's fantastic. By the way? Their "favorite seat" is a large gravestone. All this is happening in a seaside cemetery. Why does no one ever want to use this? And then, there's the first time Dracula "visits" Mina, which is actually way before the more famous scene, and Mina waves off as being merely a dream. Tonight, when you're in bed, in the dark, trying to fall asleep, imagine this going on at the foot of your bed:

I thought that I was asleep [...] and I was powerless to act, my feet, and my hands, and my brain were weighted, so that nothing could proceed at the usual pace.... Then it began to dawn upon me that the air was heavy, and dank, and cold. I put back the [covers] from my face, and found, to my surprise, that all was dim around. The gaslight which I had left lit for Jonathan, but turned down, came only like a tiny red spark through the fog, which had evidently grown thicker and poured into the room. Then it occurred to me that I had shut the window before I had come to bed. I would have got out to make certain on the point, but some leaden lethargy seemed to chain my limbs and even my will. [...] The mist grew thicker and thicker and I could see now how it came in, for I could see it like smoke, or with the white energy of boiling water, pouring in, not through the window, but through the joinings of the door. It got thicker and thicker, till it seemed as if it became concentrated into a sort of pillar of cloud in the room, through the top of which I could see the light of the gas shining like a red eye. [...] But the pillar was composed of both the day and the night guiding, for the fire was in the red eye, which at the thought got a new fascination for me, till, as I looked, the fire divided, and seemed to shine on me through the fog like two red eyes.... The last conscious effort which imagination made was to show me a livid white face bending over me out of the mist.

I would actually love to be the screenwriter on a hypothetical (umpteenth) remake, or a co-writer, or at least a creative consultant. I understand that you can't film a book page by page, and that there's a certain amount of compressing and rearranging and conflating that has to happen. Believe me, I know that. (In fact, I'm usually the fan who defends changes and omissions in movies-made-from-books.) But there's a lot of imagery that people just don't use, and I think it would be really interesting to bring back the sentimental elements of these men swearing to protect Mina to the death. I think you could actually bring in the Twilight crowd if you touch on the more emotional points, and believe me, there is a whole lot of weepin' and prayin', as my Sentimental Literature professor once put it, in the original book. You wouldn't want to use too much of it, not for a modern audience, but it's available there on your filmmaking palette. I submit that the same girls who love Edward Cullen would fall for Jonathan Harker if you emphasized his tortured love for his brave, suffering wife. And they're both young, in their mid or early twenties. (I found myself struck on this go-round by how Jonathan starts out as this very naive solicitor's clerk, but by the end, Seward's talking about his vengeful knife-whetting calm and his "cold, stern hand.") And you can show a book-accurate Mina who isn't all anachronistic Girl Power, but is uncommonly intelligent and stalwart and resourceful in a period-appropriate way, which is a HELL of a lot better than Bella. (For one, Mina has CAREER GOALS. You just got pwned by a demure Victorian, Swan.) But it could touch the same emotional nerves, if you see what I'm saying. And yet, you have the wonderfully awful horror aspect as well, if you take Dracula back to his original, non-romantic villain personality--take it back to a character who is alluring because he is horrible and terrifying, and you find yourself drawn in spite of yourself; take it back to that perversity, because I think people are going to be ready to go back to that in the next few years. I have yet to see a movie that did full justice to the Mina/Dracula scene, with that combination of "yet I did not want to hinder him" and her bloodcurdling scream afterwards. Seriously. You do this right, you can pull in the audience that wants the emotional romance and the audience that wants to go back to vampire horror. They're both already there. We can make this happen. Call me. \nm/


2) Everyone in this book is an idiot, and I have figured out why. (Well, not Mina, because Mina is awesome.) We keep having this problem in the book where our So Fearless Vampire Hunters are complete morons. For example, Van Helsing keeps insisting that Dracula's trapped in his box or his coffin or whatever during the day, even though he personally confronted him in daylight a few chapters back. And we're all the way at the end of Lucy's illness--on our fourth blood transfusion--when Quincey finally says, LOOK, OKAY, WHERE IS ALL THIS BLOOD GOING? It takes this long for someone who is not even a doctor to say out loud, SOMETHING IS TAKING HER BLOOD, OKAY, because Seward sure as hell hasn't figured this out, and if Van Helsing has--and what he privately knows about vampires seems to lessen or increase depending on the needs of the plot--he's not telling anyone. And there's your key: depending on the needs of the plot. Stoker's writing from the perspective of what he wants the reader to know or what he wants to happen at any given time, rather than what a character would logically be able to figure out or what would possibly make sense. If Stoker wants Dracula to confront the gang at his hideout in Piccadilly so that Van Helsing can realize that "he fear time," sunlight is not an inhibitor. If he wants the three vampire women to sit tight in their coffins while Van Helsing hammers away at them, or for Dracula to not leap out of his crate and defend himself, well, then, by God, vampires can't move around during the day, and Van Helsing will tell you so. (Note, however, that the trope of sunlight killing vampires does not enter popular culture until the 1922 film Nosferatu.) I can't tell if Stoker's not keeping up with his own set of vampire rules or he just doesn't care.

(I also love the part where Van Helsing goes all the way to Amsterdam for supplies, and when he comes back, Lucy's all like, "Oh hey! Common garlic! We totes have that here!")


3) As such, the writing is amazingly sloppy in a way that a modern audience would not stand for. Dates persistently do not match up, Mina's illness progresses in an entirely different way from Lucy's, the castle and routes Van Helsing describes aren't anything like what Jonathan wrote about, there's like two or three full moons in a given month--when it's all pointed out to you by footnotes, it's astounding. Maybe it's just because reading is such a communal experience now, where we all jump online afterwards and compare notes, and with so much discussion, people just aren't going to overlook mistakes and inconsistencies anymore. We're more likely to spot them as a group, and we're more likely to complain about them. All I know is, the kind of mistakes that Stoker blithely leaves in are exactly the kind of thing that keep me awake in a writerly cold sweat at night, because I wouldn't be able to get away with them now.


4) Van Helsing talks like a lolcat.

I am serious. He does. An extremely educated doctor-of-all-sciences lolcat who suddenly can has law degree about two-thirds of the way into the story. (Klinger, however, is extremely skeptical of his actual doctorly skillz. And I laughed out loud when I got Van Helsing's line, "It would at once frighten him and enjealous him, too," and there's Klinger's footnote over at the side: "Well, yes, definitely 'enjealous.'") Supposedly he's Dutch--or at least two different characters say that he is--but the only language he ever speaks other than English is German. And I still don't know if that explains any of this:

"Now take down our brave young lover, give him of the port wine, and let him lie down a while.... I may take it, sir, that you are anxious of result. Then bring it with you that in all ways the operation is successful."

"Notwithstanding his brave words, he fears us; he fear time, he fear want! If not, why he hurry so? His very tone betray him, or my ears deceive."

"Oh, Madam Mina," he said, "how can I say what I owe to you? This paper is as sunshine. It opens the gate to me. I am daze, I am dazzle, with so much light, and yet clouds roll in behind the light every time. But that you do not, cannot comprehend. Oh, but I am grateful to you, you so clever woman."


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Date: 2010-01-31 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cupcakery.livejournal.com
1) I always figured the sailors jumped overboard/committed suicide once they realized what was on the ship.

2) There has never been a Dracula film adaptation that I have liked. Boo-urns.

3) However, I do adore Nosferatu, especially when double-billed with Shadow of the Vampire.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meleth.livejournal.com
I like the remake of Nosferatu, featuring interminable panoramic views of the German countryside, accompanied by Wagner.

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Date: 2010-01-31 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trillianastra.livejournal.com
Abraham van Helsing, the first ever lolcat. Er. Well, you know what I mean...

Also, you may not have seen this but the BBC did an adaptation in 2006 that used the seaside-cemetery scene, though I can't remember how faithful to the book it was.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meleth.livejournal.com
I think it diverged fairly dramatically from the book at certain points. Like having everybody meet Dracula when he appeared in the cemetery. It was all very odd.

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Date: 2010-01-31 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com
And yet, you have the wonderfully awful horror aspect as well, if you take Dracula back to his original, non-romantic villain personality--take it back to a character who is alluring because he is horrible and terrifying, and you find yourself drawn in spite of yourself; take it back to that perversity, because I think people are going to be ready to go back to that in the next few years.

YES, PLEASE.

I would love to see another remake of Dracula, one that does feature on the allure of the terror, and not some trumped-up "true love can never die" thing. And you're absolutely right, no one has every done justice to the big Mina/Dracula scene.

4) Van Helsing talks like a lolcat.

Oh God, you're absolutely right. I'll have to keep that in mind the next time I re-read Dracula (and yeah, I re-read it kind of often), to see if it makes me less inclined to just skim huge swathes of Van Helsing's dialog.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I get really bored during the endless traveling back to the castle in the last quarter of the book, although I do stop and slow down for Mina getting vampirish.

Honestly, I do love the Coppola Dracula, but... not because it's anything like the book. I was obsessed with that movie as a young teenager, although, to my credit, I was obsessed with that Hildebrandt illustrated edition for about two years before that, so I came by the Dracula fixation honestly. (I first saw that book when I was 11 or 12, and I was just never really the same afterward.)

The reason I think it would be great to go back to the book is because there would be so many things people never really use, so it would actually be fresh to the viewer, but you can still go back and say, "It's all there, all of this is actually THERE." It's new and it's (reasonably) faithful all at the same time.

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Date: 2010-01-31 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunni-sideup.livejournal.com
Van Helsing's lolcatishness was one of the things I adored so much about the book when I first read it. My favorite line: "The milk that is spilt does not cry out afterwards." Oh, Van Helsing. Your language barriers are adorable.

I also love that Mina is the most capable one of all of them.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
OH MAN, HOW DID I FORGET THAT ONE. That's like the best Helsingism in there.

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Date: 2010-01-31 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smu.livejournal.com
You have summed up all my feeling about Dracula and touched on new things to consider. I got this version of Dracula for Christmas, now I will have to pull the tome out and read it!

You're awesome.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Heh, thanks. I have one or two older things I've written about the book that I'm including on the M15M Vampires footnotes as well. You could dig them up yourself with careful Google-fu, so I'm really just including them for convenience rather than as new material. But still.

Date: 2010-01-31 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefariousgrey.livejournal.com
Oh, Cleo, you so clever woman!

Date: 2010-01-31 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vega-ofthe-lyre.livejournal.com
I totally agree with you about all that extraordinary imagery going to waste - what a tragedy! I get frustrated when all this other stuff is shoehorned in for the films, because, dude, for awesome creepy gothic imagery, you don't have to look any farther than the text.

(I don't know off the top of my head if any adaptations have used the scene where the wafer burns Mina's forehead, but that harrowed my bones when I was younger - it was so, so vivid for me.)

I so want to get my paws on this edition *grabbyhands*

Date: 2010-01-31 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I know they use it in the Coppola version, but I think they save it until the bit at the castle with the wolves. Rather than just get bright-eyed and alert the way Mina does (Van Helsing says he's relieved to see her disgust and fear when the three female vampires show up) in the book, Winona Ryder/Mina gets a bit... aggressive. Thus, the wafer. And then the scar disappears when she finishes Dracula off in the chapel.

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Date: 2010-01-31 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weird-cowgirl.livejournal.com
I've never had a desire to read Dracula before, but now I want it ever so much.

Not gonna lie, I sporfled over the dazzle line.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] chris-walsh.livejournal.com
You won't regret it.

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Date: 2010-01-31 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brainchild129.livejournal.com
Those are some nice examples of atmospheric writing - indeed, the kind of stuff a screenwriter or a cinematographer should be begging to adapt to film.

Mind you, when it comes to hypothetical Dracula film adaptations, most of them have bigger issues to address, like letting Mina be herself and not just a Love Interest/Victim, How the Hell Do We Fit Renfield In Here (because honestly, Stoker never does quite fit him into the story very well. He's mostly there to keep Steward in the story and to kind of serve as a Vampire Detector), and Remembering that The Heroes Should Be As Interesting As Dracula (something which only the first Hammmer film got right and that was really due to more to Peter Cushing's general awesomeness than anything else).

And since we're speaking of interesting theories, I reemember once discussing how Lucy and Mina could be viewed as Old School (like, Regency era) Gothic Heroine vs. (at the time) New School Gothic Heroine. Lucy is the old school one, the one who's just too pretty and too precious and too noble and everybody wants to get in her pantaloons and such, whereas Mina is a practical, middle class working girl, who helps bring the various menfolk together, assembles all the notes to get the bigger picture, and is able to help out with her knowledge of practical things like train schedules.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chulacabra.livejournal.com
When I read this in freshman lit in college, we were taught that Lucy was the slutty one (all that business about wanting to marry all three men so she wouldn't have to choose) and that's why she had to DIE DIE DIE. By being staked. By all the men she wanted to marry. Ahem.

Mina was straddling old and new, transitioning between late Victorian and early 20 c. ideas about women. She could use a typewriter and was smart and capable in many ways but unlike that wanton hoor Lucy she was virtuous and understood her place in the hierarchy. And as a reward she metaphorically got all the bridegrooms that Lucy coveted.

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Date: 2010-01-31 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] particle-person.livejournal.com
4) Van Helsing talks like a lolcat.

HEEEEE. Now you're making me want to go back and reread the book. I read it exactly once when I was a kid, and I didn't understand a lot of it. I'm absolutely sure I'd enjoy it more now, especially with LOL!HELSING at the back of my mind.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Even though I loved the book through my entire adolescence, it was one of those things where I just skipped around and read the good parts, because some of it gets so, so tiresome. Particularly all the newspaper "clippings" (although I appreciate the multimedia approach in theory) and the traveling at the end. Anything that involves working-class dialect for pages on end, basically. Even now that was a bit of a slog.

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Date: 2010-01-31 09:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] chris-walsh.livejournal.com
O.o indeed. And still damn good.

I've read Dracula twice, first in college then a few years ago in [livejournal.com profile] dracula1897. (I still remember someone in that community asking for Dracula/Ben-Hur crossover fic. THAT SHOULD HAPPEN. And I should read Ben-Hur. But I digress.) I remember how reactionary "I'm scared of the outside world" the book is, but also appreciating that it's "a story machine" -- that thing moves, and not in the light Grisham way. (That, and a reading deadline, meant that I was able to finish the last 100 pages of Dracula in HALF A DAY. And I was a slower reader back then.) I can imagine Stoker cheerfully ignoring the plot holes he was punching in his own story as he wrote wrote wrote.

My favorite dealing-with-a-plot hole anecdote? Cervantes wrote Don Quixote in two parts, realized after publishing Part I that he'd had a plot hole, and then acknowledged that plot hole/worked it into the story in Part II in a way that made sense! (I took several months to read Don Quixote. I'm glad I did. Talk about another book full of cool stuff that I'm not sure has ever been put in an adaptation. There's so much more to it than the windmills! That's over well before page 100! Of a 900-plus-page book!)

Date: 2010-01-31 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Yeah, I loved the idea of the dracula1897 community--I'm going to try to remember to go back to it at the right time of year.

What's so amazing about the book, and why it endures, I think, is the imagery. Startling, eerie, dreamlike, horrific--it stays with you long after the fridge logic of "Wait, what...?" has kicked in.

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Date: 2010-01-31 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wenelda.livejournal.com
Lmao Van Helsing the Lolcat... That's... awesome.

It really astounds me how many errors are in Dracula, considering Stoker did about seven years of research on vampires before he set pen to paper for the tale, but I think Victorian masses were easier to please in writing than now (... *looks at Twilight* Well... maybe not), so maybe they just didn't care about the errors and were simply more terrified of vampires so who cares if there were just three full moons in the month? Idk.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I KNOW, RIGHT! The Klinger annotations quote his notes! Stoker clearly put a lot of work into this! He revised locations and dates as he went! AND YET IT IS STILL RIDDLED WITH MISTAKES. I seriously do not understand.

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Date: 2010-01-31 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinuviell.livejournal.com
I have got to read Dracula; it's been on my list of "classics I will get to one day" for years now, and you've made me want to read it all the more. I'm really enjoying all your Victorian literature talks lately: keep them up!

I need a Twilight icon with "I am dazzle" on it. That's brilliant.

Date: 2010-03-23 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rozasharn.livejournal.com
Have a link to the full text of Dracula in handy blog format, with bonus book-club-style comments!

Date: 2010-01-31 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aquidis.livejournal.com
I considered buying this edition for my Dracula research last quarter, and now I'm glad I didn't. All those crack theories would have driven me nuts. I mean, crack theories are great, but I'd rather they be separate from, y'know, scholarly research.

Also, I would LOVE to see your adaptation on the screen. I'd also like to see an adaptation that heavily emphasizes insanity (which may help explain why all the characters are idiots, idk).

Date: 2010-01-31 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Well, like I said in the entry the other day--maybe two entries back--these annotations play "the game" that Dracula is real. And it kind of drives me a little bit crazy. I enjoy hearing about the theories, but I'd rather hear about them in terms of "interpretations struggling to make sense of these plot holes."

I'd also like to see an adaptation that heavily emphasizes insanity

Well, be careful what you wish for, because pretty much everyone's insane in the Coppola version. Well, definitely Van Helsing, and Seward's a drug addict, so...

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Date: 2010-01-31 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mwshook.livejournal.com
I also had to take a laughter break on Van Helsing/lolcat.

It is amazing how different Dracula is on each reading. I had to do the whole 10-page English 201 paper on it back in college. It makes me feel like an idiot that I didn't notice most of the huge plot holes. But I loved reading about all the various theories.

It also amazes me how many movies there are, and none of them get the feel right.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mwshook.livejournal.com
Oh, and to add my doctorly 2 cents to the "where did all the blood go?" question.

Whenever a young woman comes in with severe anemia, the first thing you think of is bleeding from the uterus (fibroids, endometriosis, etc.)

Maybe the characters assumed that she was hemorrhaging out the coochie, but were too politely Victorian to ask.

Or maybe it was just a glaring plot hole.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meleth.livejournal.com
They probably thought her womb was devouring her from within, but none of them had figured out how hysterical paroxysm worked yet.

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Date: 2010-01-31 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meleth.livejournal.com
Van Helsing speaks a gibberish language that follows no grammatical conventions, or at least none of any language that exists. I maintain that the entire book is an Irishman's blatant stereotyping of everyone else in the world. The Englishmen are too stupid to live ("and then my host leapt at me, smashed my mirror, and tried to murder me. Very inconvenient, as now I have no shaving-glass"), the American is a cowboy with bizarre speech patterns and a heart of gold, and Van Helsing is an incomprehensible European given to strange babbling and mercurial shifts of mood.

Date: 2010-01-31 09:27 pm (UTC)
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"and then my host leapt at me, smashed my mirror, and tried to murder me. Very inconvenient, as now I have no shaving-glass"

My favorite thing about this summary is that you are not exaggerating one tiny bit. That's one of the funniest parts of the novel.

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Date: 2010-01-31 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xerinmichellex.livejournal.com
I too would love to see a faithful adaptation of Dracula. Coppola's version was what made me want to read the novel, and I was really disappointed with all the liberties he took within the story. If you have "Bram Stoker" in the title, I expect the movie to be similar to his novel--not have the Elisabeta-Dracula-Mina addition that ruins the entire plot. /rant

Date: 2010-01-31 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Seriously, there's an angry Klinger footnote to the effect of "WHY DID YOU CALL IT 'BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA' WHEN IT IS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU." And he's right, it's pretty ironic. That's why I tend to call it "the Coppola Dracula," to avoid confusion.

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Date: 2010-01-31 09:23 pm (UTC)
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Everyone in this book is an idiot

Oh, god, so much. That drove me crazy. "OH HEY, LOOK, MINA IS ALL PALE AND LACKING IN ENERGY AND GENERALLY NOT SEEMING WELL AT ALL. HEY HAVE WE SEEN THAT ANYWHERE RECENTLY GUYS? NO I GUESS NOT. GOD."

And I think you're spot on about Jonathan - his experience in the castle breaks him and he's never the same after that. He and Mina make an interesting couple, because he displays what one might consider more traditionally feminine qualities, while Mina displays more traditionally masculine ones. They complement each other well, and Stoker can pull out all the "Mina is a FRAGILE FEMALE FLOWER who needs MALE PROTECTION" crap he wants, but he can't hide the role reversal going on in that couple. I love how Mina just completely evades his writerly control with her levels of general awesome. I would love to see an adaptation that explores Jonathan's psychological issues and their relationship more in depth, because it's a really good story half-buried under everything else going on. (And Van Helsing's LOLcat exposition, thanks for that. ♥ That should make him more tolerable when I have time to pick up the Klinger.)

Date: 2010-01-31 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
The thing I realized this time is that Jonathan was very clearly victimized at the castle by the female vampires, and some of the dialogue back there implies that Dracula either went after him or intended to. So then Mina gets victimized in a really disturbing scene--I didn't understand how disturbing when I was much younger--and now they're sort of bonded by the experiences they've both had. She's saying she's unclean and debased, and he won't hear it--and for the first time, I realized they now have that trauma in common. They alone in the group understand what it's like. So when he gets all cold and stern and vengeful, and it's very clear that he wants to get revenge on her behalf, not his own--at first I thought it was a matter of sexual honor or jealousy, but--he wants revenge because he understands firsthand what happened to her, and how awful it was, in a way that the other men don't.

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Date: 2010-01-31 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lomer.livejournal.com
I am dazzle!!!

Date: 2010-01-31 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunihiroku.livejournal.com
You mean Jane Eyre is no longer your favorite book? *sob* My love for that book is something I'll never grow out of...

Date: 2010-01-31 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
It's still one of my favorites! I don't love it any less!

Date: 2010-01-31 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hobbitomm.livejournal.com
Just as an aside, you mentioned in one of your previous Dracula posts the minor character, Kate, who is cut from the final edition.

She makes it back into Anno Dracula (and sequels) by Kim Newman... a very nice Alt-history run through Victorian/Edwardian literature, almost as a who's who.

She also makes it into his short story 'Coppola's Dracula' ( http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/coppola.htm ) regarding the making of Francis Ford Coppola's masterpiece, Dracula, starring Martin Sheen as Jonathon Harker, and Marlon Brando as Dracula. Well worth a peek.

Date: 2010-01-31 10:04 pm (UTC)
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Have you ever read The Dracula Tape (http://www.amazon.com/Dracula-Tape-Fred-Saberhagen/dp/0671578391/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264975343&sr=8-1) by Fred Saberhagen? I (stupidly) read that before Dracula, and it's a lot of, "Wait, first Van Helsing says I'm a genius and now I'm have a stupid, child-like mind? WTF?" It's from Dracula's POV (obviously) and it's a fun read as kind of an alternate take and a poking at some of the inconsistencies.

I can't remember what was made of the ship.

Date: 2010-02-01 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greeneyedtengu.livejournal.com
I'll admit that I actually love that 'series'. Saberhagen's Dracula is such an interesting evolution of the character.

A Friend of the Family and A Matter of Taste are the best next to The Dracula Tape, though.

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Date: 2010-01-31 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puredeadthingy.livejournal.com
Okay, so I'm doing a module on Victorian literature. Dracula's one of our texts. I think I might have to cite your blog in my essay.

(This happens a lot with your blog. I don't tend to realise it's quasi-academic until after I've finished laughing.)

Date: 2010-01-31 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Heh. People have done it before, it's okay. One of my Twilight recaps actually got quoted in a book at one point, believe it or not. (I do find that I sound slightly more respectable when I'm cited as "Cleolinda Jones" rather than just [livejournal.com profile] cleolinda.) There's another entry I wrote about the positive portrayal of Mina as being surprisingly--I hesitate to say "feminist," but perhaps useful from a feminist perspective. You see where I'm going with this.

I don't tend to realise it's quasi-academic until after I've finished laughing

Yeah, one seminar and a thesis short of an MFA, right here. I can do this all day.

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Date: 2010-01-31 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malsperanza.livejournal.com
It's true that they're all plot bunnies, except for Dracula, but I think actually this is the rare book where the author *intends* no one to be as interesting as the villain. He set out to write a book in which the villain is the protagonist. (There are precedents: Lovelace is way more interesting than the milksop Clarissa; not to mention the cad Henry Crawford in Mansfield Park.)I think he succeeded, in the sense that the goodguys are made less interesting by the fact that Dracula is so compelling. In any other book they'd probably be fairly engaging people. In other words, Dracula seduces the book in the same way he seduces people. He just walks in and pwns the narrative. Which is an interesting thing.

This is one of those books where I just don't care about the continuity errors. I can't be arsed any more than Stoker was. For that matter, I don't care about the clunky prose either, which is rare for me. Though the novel convention of having foreigners talk like backward children is not nearly so funny as those authors thought it was. (Foreigners and people of color, actually.) It lasted an awfully long time, too.

I've read Dracula several times, but I don't think I've ever read every word. There are indigestible chunks that just aren't worth it. Some of the paid-by-the-word serial novelists, like Trollope, also have big chunks of dead text. But then, so does Stephen King.
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