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cleolinda ([personal profile] cleolinda) wrote2009-01-08 10:14 am

Teal deer are in season again!

Something that made me think possibly because I didn't want get down to work yesterday: Tell Me More! Why Do We Overshare?

I feel like there's been a rise in oversharing since blogs, online journals, social networks, etc., appeared in our lives--it's so much easier to confess your deepest secrets to names on a screen. You can't see the looks on their faces, for one. But the crazy woman cited at the beginning of the story was dumping all her business in real life, so if we're going to stick with the first idea, I'm going to have to say that it's carried over into real life--on a wider scale than it used to be; there were always people who had no sense of tact or boundaries--because, due to the effect of the internet (and reality television: the obligatory confessional cam, tucked away in private where the other housemates can't hear the steam the contestant is blowing off to millions of people ), revelation has become something of a currency. I think that, on some level, we're putting the cart before the horse: it used to be that we just hounded celebrities for the private details of their lives, and now we feel like spilling our own makes us important. I mean, it's what important people do, right? Go on TV and walk us around their houses and tell us their favorite recipes and make coy references to their love lives? Well, now anyone with a blog (or a Facebook, or a Twitter, or a...) can pretend to be just as sought-after. Important people get attention, and spilling our guts on TV or the internet will get us attention as well, and therefore that also makes us important, right?

... Right?

Well, actually it makes you really annoying most of the time, but some bloggers really do have the skill to write about very personal experiences in a meaningful or entertaining way. I don't know if I could be one of them, and I don't intend to find out. There are a few things I think people would consider to be very "personal" that I don't mind talking about--depression and mental health, for one, but you'll notice you only ever hear me discuss it in fairly detached terms. I tend to analyze what I think is going on with me; you're never going to see a post at two a.m. where I'm stutter-typing about how I've lost my will to live and I'm going to end it all. I don't mind talking about depression or medication in general because I don't feel like it's anything to be ashamed of, and in fact, I think people need to talk about that kind of thing more; they need to hear what their options are, that other people are able to get through it, that it's not weird or strange or unusual, but actually a fairly common ailment. But I'm always in control or speaking in retrospect when I talk about it; I'm not bleeding my emo all over you. That, to me, is why it's useful rather than TMI.

By the same token, this is why I'll tell you fun or nice or happy snippets about my friends and family, but not about fights or problems. And while I'm not seeing anyone right now, I suspect that talking about anyone I was going out with would be the worst idea ever. It would be one thing to tell you several weeks or months later about how I met someone, once the whole thing was a fait accompli, but right as it was happening? These things are so delicate in their early stages--they practically blow away like dandelion fluff, and I imagine that a public play-by-play of a first date would count as a pretty strong breeze. These are calls you have to make for yourself, but there's a point where, if you have a large enough readership (even over, say, fifty people), you have to decide whether you want to trade in the currency of TMI and make that your thing (which is fine) or if discretion is the better part of valor. Me, I have movies and books and things to talk about, and that works fine for me.


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[identity profile] theferrett.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Luckily, I have Gini. And as I've said in my infamous How to Avoid Psychodrama (http://www.livejournal.com/users/theferrett/332945.html) post:

Rule #4: Do Not Write Up Any Arguments Before They're Settled
This is the best one. And Gini and I had to learn this slowly, but it's the most valuable piece of advice. And it good advice for this reason:

You are never going to get honest feedback from anyone as long as you're broadcasting their fucking story to everyone.


So yeah, Gini and I have arguments. Fierce ones. Doesn't mean we're not in love; we're just fighty people. But if we open that up to the Intarwebz, then suddenly we've allowed an audience to start calling sides, and you're lying if you say that you won't feel justified when 70% of the comments calling "ayes" for your point of view.

If I was dating, I'm 90% sure I wouldn't mention it. I mean, I'd probably do my little doofy "Here's what I said in a conversation with X the other day," and I would say that we'd moved in together, but I doubt I'd mention the actual details of "By the way, this friendship? Also fucking."

[identity profile] ccr1138.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Funny, when the concept of "oversharing" came up, I immediately thought of your blog, Ferrett! [gd&r]

Luckily, your posts are usually so witty or outrageous or insightful that it cancels out the vaguely nauseated feeling of hearing somebody else's TMI.

[identity profile] theferrett.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I do share a fair amount, but anyone who knows me IRL knows how much I don't share. It's a carefully-edited snippet.

And I do try to give TMFI warnings when they arrive.

[identity profile] ccr1138.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't get me wrong, I love it! Your essay about the time you visited a massage parlor, for instance ... cringeworthy, yet classic. I admire your ability to let people see you as you are, rather than trying to pretend to be totally "together" all the time.

[identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, and something I was specifically thinking of is this: you come home from a first date, it wasn't great, and you write it up in a humorous way. Even if you're fairly tactful and generous and civil about it, the guy could read it and go, "Oh. She didn't have a good time. Guess I'm not going to bother asking her out for a second date."

Alternate version: you come home from a first date, it wasn't great, and you write it up in your personal IRL diary, or you only confide in your closest friends IRL or under f-lock. You go out on a second date with the guy because hey, why not? It works out better this time, because either the universe isn't conspiring against you now, or maybe you're both just more at ease. You continue dating and start up a relationship.

That's what I was thinking of with the dandelion fluff analogy: writing about it in public can actually affect what happens next. Maybe six months later when the dust has settled, you can have the luxury of saying, "You know, our first date, that's a funny story..."

[identity profile] threeparts.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I made it a cardinal rule way back when never to date anyone who'd even heard of LJ. It worked really well up until I got engaged to the dude that had been on my flist and reading my personal escapades for the last six months. Woe. At least he knew what he was in for.

[identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a feeling that anyone who would be interested in me in the first place would already know about my LJ. I am... something of a wallflower in real life. And if I were forced to pretend that my LJ or my Cleolinda Jones writing (which would include the book) didn't exist, I wouldn't have an answer to "What do you do?" at all. Except maybe, "I'm working on a novel," and who isn't?

[identity profile] threeparts.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I guess it's not such an easy approach when you're a relatively high-profile blogger. I'm not sure that I'd want to be in your position there - the online prospects have the potential to be e-stalkers, and the offline ones might just assume that you're doing nothing constructive with your life other than fooling around on the internet.

[identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
That's... pretty much the way of it, yeah. Although, while male commenters have set off alarms with me a couple of times, usually the e-stalky stuff comes from women. Like, platonic e-stalking. But definitely with a sense of boundaries being crossed. It's kind of weird that way.

[identity profile] theferrett.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Ever read Peep Show (http://www.amazon.com/Peepshow-Cartoon-Diary-Joe-Matt/dp/1896597270)?

[identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
That... is a good example of the opposite of my personal approach. Again, if you do it well and it works for you, God speed.