Two questions, no linkspam

[cleolinda]

Two questions, one more important than the other:

1. WOW SO IMPORTANT! My stepfather sometimes plays drum for reenactments at the Colonial Village. Where, perchance, might he get a basic black tricorn hat? I think he also needs a red army coat--he's reenacting an American drummer, but apparently they wore red rather than blue. Probably to signify "Don't shoot me." His fellow drummers got theirs for, like, $1400, but I'm sure that someone, somewhere, has a black tricorn and a red coat for three digits or less.

2. No, seriously, I'm not kidding, that was the important question: I valiantly try to explain what a professor once told me was the difference between terror and horror here. This made a deep impression on me at the time, but I can't find the notebook I actually wrote it in two years ago, and so I cannot think of the correct wording. Has anyone else ever heard of this before? Because it's probably a well-known Deep Thought from a philosopher or literary critic. I just don't know who. If it helps, this was my Sentimental Literature class. Maybe Devendra Varma's take ("the difference between terror and horror as the difference between awful apprehension and sickening realization") is actually it, and it's just my professor's rephrasing that made such an impression. I don't know.

Comments

[anonymisty.livejournal.com]

Excalibur Leather (http://www.excaliburleather.com/catalog/tricornhat.html) - good, fast service, excellent quality, and their prices are fairly reasonable.

[sunnygirlva20.livejournal.com]

Has he done a search online, there are tons of reenacting sites. I do civil war, but I know I have come across rev sites. The price difference depends on what he wants it made of and how much hand sewing is needed. If he is ok with a jacket totally machine sewn, he could probably get it cheaper. $1400 seems a bit excessive.....

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

Terror vs. Horror - I think it's basically showing vs telling, i.e. when you used horror, you scared people by hinting at the bad stuff that could happen (or did happen) and when you used terror, you went all the way with showing blood and all that. I think that was the definition we got in my class on Gothic Novels, but it's been a while, so I could be wrong.

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

Of course, it could also be the other way round. *headdesk*

[elisa0984.livejournal.com]

Quite a few costume shops are coming up with red coats. Are there certain embellishments that his coat would need to have?

[elisa0984.livejournal.com]

http://www.ctraders.com/uniforms.html These people will do a hand made coat for under $300.

[karadin.livejournal.com]

My dad suggests contacting the Third Army (United States) at Fort Meyer VA, because they outfit the soliders band in Rev War uniforms - The Old Guard.

Fūrinkazan icon love!

[kali921.livejournal.com]

Icon love! I finally got to see a promo clip of Fūrinkazan, and am frantically looking for torrents of the episodes. I was very impressed with Gackt's eyebrows in the Fūrinkazan promo clip I saw, and lusted after his red and gold silk tunic...thing.

Re: Fūrinkazan icon love!

[karadin.livejournal.com]

Here's the link to D-Addicts, which has english subbed and RAW eps for downloand.

http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/torrents.php?search=fuurin+kazan&type=&sub=&sort=

I just lust after Gackt whatever he wears, or ... not wears. ;D But seriously, the drama is great to watch, even before Gackt-sama arrives.

Tricorns are easy

[dakiwiboid.livejournal.com]

One search on Ebay got me 33 very fast. Gee, if he was a size 42, this (http://cgi.ebay.com/PIRATE-RED-COAT-COSTUME-REVOLUTIONARY-WAR-MOVIE-PROP_W0QQitemZ260126496422QQihZ016QQcategoryZ80915QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) would do until he could get something better!

[starlady42.livejournal.com]

This probably isn't what your professor used, but Orson Scott Card talks about the differences among dread, terror, and horror in the introduction to a section of Maps in a Mirror, his collection of short stories. I can't find it online (could photocopy and mail it if you really need it), but there's a decent writeup here: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1690589. Hope this helps! :)

[lonesomepioneer.livejournal.com]

Here's the full(ish) quote:

"Dread is the first and the strongest of the three kinds of fear. It is that tension, that waiting that comes when you know there is something to fear but you have not yet identified what it is. The fear that comes when you first realize that your spouse should have been home an hour ago; when you hear a strange sound in the baby's bedroom; when you realize that a window you are sure you closed is now open, the curtains billowing, and you're alone in the house.

Terror only comes when you see the thing you're afraid of. The intruder is coming at you with a knife. The headlights coming toward you are clearly in your lane. The klansmen have emergedfrom the bushes and one of them is holding a rope. This is when all the muscles of your body, except perhaps the sphincters, tauten and you stand rigid; or you scream; or you run. There is a frenzy to this moment, a climactic power-- but it is the power of release, not the power of tension. And bad as it is, it is better than dread, in this respect: Now, at least, you know the face of the thing you fear. You know its borders, its dimensions. You know what to expect.

Horror is the weakest of all. After the fearful thing has happened, you see its remainder, its relics. The grisly, hacked-up corpse. Your emotions range from nausea to pity for the victim. And even your pity is tinged with revulsion and disgust; ultimately you reject the scene and deny its humanity; with repetition horror loses its ability to move you and, to some degree, dehumanizes the victim and therefore dehumanizes you. As the sonderkommandos in the death camps learned, after you move enough naked murdered corpses, it stops making you want to weep or puke. You just do it. They've stopped being people to you.

...So I don't write horror stories. True, bad things happen to my characters. Sometimes terrible things. But I don't show it to you in living color. I don't have to. I don't want to. Because, caught up in dread, you'll imagine far worse things happening than I could ever think up to show you myself."

[kittyblue.livejournal.com]

While the SCA tends toward earlier period, try googling with 'sca' in the search parameters - usually, you can find good deals. Otherwise, I would suggest eBay, if other re-enactment sites have nothing available.

[janegodzilla.livejournal.com]

I remember going over this when I studied gothic literature back in college. I know Ann Radcliffe wrote a lot on the difference between horror and terror, so let me see if I can find the quote I'm thinking of...

Aha! Here it is: "Terror and Horror are so far opposite that the first expands the soul, and awakens the faculties to a high degree of life; the other contracts, freezes and nearly annihilates them." Is that similar to what you were thinking of?

[jenny0.livejournal.com]

The historic site where I work does colonial-era reenactments every so often, and we buy our costumes from Jas. Townsend & Son (http://jas-townsend.com). They have this basic tricorn (http://jas-townsend.com/product_info.php?cPath=6&products_id=257) for $15 and various coats etc.

[mamapduck.livejournal.com]

I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Hats In The Belfry.

http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/page/H/CTGY/tricornhats

They have a tricorn for $40 and their name is totally to die for!

[blackdiamants.livejournal.com]

My best suggestion is to find a friend who would make the coat for you. I've seen patterns in Hancock fabrics for such things and it shouldn't be too hard to make.

Didn't the Americans wear blue? I seem to remember a stunning red coat on the even more stunning Jason Isaacs in The Patriot, hence "lobsterbacks."

[cleolinda.livejournal.com]

No, they did. The drummers specifically wore a different color; my theory is that they wore red so the British wouldn't shoot them.

[blackdiamants.livejournal.com]

Huh, that would make sense. But you'd think that they might notice when the the Americans weren't shooting them either.

[teapotgirl.livejournal.com]

Someone on my FL got a hat from http://www.clearwaterhats.com/revwarcatalog.htm

She loved it to bits, and their hats are ~$110.

[elven-minority.livejournal.com]

I'm involved with my local Revolutionary War reenacting group and they've got some good links for where to buys things on their site.
http://www.sudburyminutemen.org/

[joyous-trouble.livejournal.com]

I dunno about famous quotes, but this entry (http://missmozell.livejournal.com/80792.html) always seemed to me, to be what the difference was.

[kookaburra1701.livejournal.com]

There's some tri-corns at Museum Replicas:
http://www.museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/pirates/pirate_clothing_and_accessorie/accessories.aspx

There's also a red coat, but it's a naval-type coat.
http://www.museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/pirates/pirate_clothing_and_accessorie/men_s_clothing.aspx

Most of their clothing is more medieval/reaissance, but there might be some stuff you can alter. Anyways, it's quite a bit less expensive than $1400.

[shesnotallthere.livejournal.com]

I've no idea where your professor might have come up with that, but it agrees with what many, many authors have said on the subject.

I've always thought the main difference is that horror is the fear of something bad happening, whereas terror is the fear of something bad happening TO ONESELF.

[trash-addict.livejournal.com]

I actually did a reading on terror vs. horror this semester - I'll dig it up and post the auther and title here when I get back online in a couple of days.

[ceinwyn-1.livejournal.com]

Cleo,
Not sure how helpful this is, but, my brother used to play drums in a re enactment, sponsored by Washington Crossing church, in Washington Crossing PA, (Bucks County) In case it's not obvious, that would be where Washington Crossed the Delaware. Anyway, they all wore tricorn hats, and I'm pretty sure no one paid $1400 for them. So, maybe they could help out. My mother made his coat...so, no help there, I'm afraid.

[lokifin.livejournal.com]

Re: terror vs horror

This reminded me of the mental health concepts of anxiety vs fear. Fear is in reaction to an actual, happening or imminent event. Anxiety is in reaction to the idea of a possibility.

I would say that terror is akin to fear, and horror akin to anxiety, in that it's the emotional reaction to a concept or passed event, while terror is in reaction to imminent, direct danger. It's the distance from actual danger that distinguishes the two.

This is slightly different than the idea that one is about danger to oneself and the other about danger to others. One can feel terror in the face of danger to a loved one, say, because harm to a loved one also damages oneself. But harm already done, or the concept of a stranger being harmed, carries the distancing that produces horror.

[tar-ancalime77.livejournal.com]

I personally bought a tricorn from Ren. Faire (round stiff authentic-looking felt that can be pinned any way you please) but if there isn't one currently where you live I'd scour ebay.