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Hmm. I'm at the point in a new story where I've gotten in just deep enough to feel stupid about it. As in, "Why am I writing this? Why am I bothering? It's so dumb. Seriously, I can't believe I even tried this." It's something you've just got to push through--sort of an artistic queasiness. I highly recommend not talking about your project to anyone at this point, because it's at a very fragile point of development, by which I mean that it will sound like the dumbest thing ever if you try to describe it to someone. I like to think of it as still being in its gestation period--not ready to come out of the womb yet. Doesn't make me feel any less lame, though. But the mad writing binge I've been on for the last three or four days has made me feel better at a time when I was feeling really, really bad (which I think has been related to adjusting my medication), so I keep telling myself that it can't be all that worthless. If nothing else, I can keep writing it just for me and never show it to anyone else. So, you know, if you ever feel that way, you're not alone.

Heh, Sleepy Hollow's on TNT tonight. I watched the DVD a couple of days ago, and it is a strange feeling to look up in the middle of a scene and realize you've got Dumbledore (#2), Uncle Vernon, Rita Skeeter, Emperor Palpatine, Principal Rooney, and Alfred the butler (#1) all in one room, with an assist from Darth Saruman and... well, Christopher Walken. "Christopher Walken" pretty much is his greatest character. (Emperor Palpatine! I didn't even know they let the man do any other movies!) The extras are shit, though. They're not "Interactive menus! Chapter stops!" shit, but there's only one commentary--and that's Tim Burton saying over and over, " I just had such an incredible cast. Also, how much fake fog did we pipe in? So very much"--and a bombastic behind-the-scenes thing that I guarantee you originally aired on HBO. You know--it's got That Announcer Guy who narrates in capslock. The problem is that the DVD must have come out in--what, 2000?--and I actually remember 2001 as the year DVDs started to get really, really good. And this was before LOTR. I guess my problem is that I'm spoiled by even the non-LOTR stuff like the X-Men 1.5 and Matrix Revisisted DVDs, where they have these great, in-depth, unintrusive features. Nowadays, even a mild hit like this would come fully loaded. I've come to expect DVD extras to go through all the major elements--casting, rehearsals, action and stunts, costumes, effects (the one thing Sleepy Hollow actually bothers with), and outtakes if you got 'em--in a far more in-depth fashion. That, and one-person commentaries almost always suck, I'm finding. You really need at least two people to play off each other, unless the speaker is just really, really engaging. Martin Scorsese, for example, can get away with it. Still, the Sleepy Hollow DVD's worth at least a Netflix for the part where Burton gets to the scene where Miranda Richardson and Johnny Depp are essentially wrestling for the Horseman's skull, and deadpans, "Ah, the climactic girlfight." 

(Someone has an "Ichabod Crane: Girl Detective" icon that makes me laugh about as hard.)

Talladega Nights and Barnyard perform better than expected. Despite the fact that Barnyard involves cows voiced by men. I'm just saying, that's a logical dealbreaker for me.

The Descent: A far better movie than the poster would indicate. Seriously, I saw the trailer at Apple and just about wet myself.

Teresa Nielsen Hayden tries to interpret the video for "Total Eclipse of the Heart."

Viggo Mortensen, Pornstache Conquistador. (Between this and The Fountain, it looks like conquistadors are the new big thing.)

Satchel writes a blog. Poor Satchel.

Off to write some more. I feel a little better now.


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Date: 2006-08-06 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ringlunatic.livejournal.com
My very first DVD I ever bought was the very first Matrix movie when it was just released. Back in the day that was a really nifty DVD with extra's and menu's and whatnot. And for a while all the DVDs I bought after that always disappointed me, cause they were so damn plain all the time.

Date: 2006-08-06 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluekermit.livejournal.com
That's why I'm fascinated that you actually give updates on how many words you've written, and on general stuff like you've been doing. I've had ideas in my head for a long while now, and even if you wroking makes me go "hmmmm... maybe I should get off my ahem", I could never go this public with ym developments. Hell, I don't think I'd be able to say anything until I had the publisher's deal signed and stamped and double signed and all that ;)

Anyhoo, you've already spoilered us that someone dies, so, might as well put us all out of our misery and get it done already!

Date: 2006-08-06 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Heh, I think that someone is, like, the sixth person to die.

And I try to give updates because I think it helps for people to see that someone who is fairly confident about her process will still go through things like being blocked, feeling stupid, not knowing what to do, etc.

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Date: 2006-08-06 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krazykarot.livejournal.com
haha yes!! thanks for that review of total eclipse of the heart. a friend of mine "discovered" that one a few years ago back in high school and we were literally on the floor laughing hysterically! :-D

Date: 2006-08-06 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onyx-noir.livejournal.com
Maybe I'm just weird, but I thought Christopher Walken was just dead sexy in that film. And I don't think he even speaks in it? (It's been a few years since I've seen it.)

But then, I think he's pretty much teh smex in just about everything he does.

no, I'm not a rabid fan at all. No, really...

Date: 2006-08-06 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
I can confirm that the only thing he ever says in the movie, and a few times at that, is something along the lines of "HAAAA!" And I love Walken, by the way. I was slightly obsessed with that Madonna video he did back in... 1992? Which seems to have been a banner year for Things Cleo Was Obsessed With, actually.

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Date: 2006-08-06 09:30 pm (UTC)
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I can't listen to 'Total Eclipse of the Heart' without thinking 'GERMAN VAMPIRE MUSICAL!' (http://www.carpe-jugulum.com/dotv/vienna/pix/TotaleFinsternis2.jpg) Sei bereit, Sternkind... of DOOM!

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Date: 2006-08-06 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] casirafics.livejournal.com
I actually remember 2001 as the year DVDs started to get really, really good.

The first DVD I ever bought was the original release of Apollo 13, which came out in '98. You'd NEVER know it from the packaging, because it says nothing about bonus features, but it's loaded. Two commentary tracks (one with Ron Howard, one with the Lovells), an in-depth and very well-done documentary called Lost Moon: The Triumph of Apollo 13, the trailer, the isolated soundtrack (the whole thing will play over the menu if you just sit there and let it play -- you can even skip forward and backward through the tracks), production notes, etc. I was duly impressed. And yes, as it's since been proved when I got a widescreen TV, it's anamorphic. When the DVD got re-released last year, I felt absolutely no need to double-dip. ;)

Date: 2006-08-06 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Oh, yeah--and before that, of course, there were laserdiscs. I should probably clarify that 2001 felt like the year that really good DVDs became *standard,* or at least far more common.

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Date: 2006-08-06 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silk-noir.livejournal.com
Hmm. I'm at the point in a new story where I've gotten in just deep enough to feel stupid about it. As in, "Why am I writing this? Why am I bothering? It's so dumb. Seriously, I can't believe I even tried this."

Oh, god, do I know that one. It's enough to make myself question my very existnce.

Date: 2006-08-06 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cordilleran2.livejournal.com
Conquistadors? Eh?

That gives me hope that there's a movie about the Conquests of Mexico or Peru in the works. The drama involved in those two periods is ripe for a movie.

Date: 2006-08-06 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zrath.livejournal.com


Well, I got a leaserdisc player in 1995 and started up a nice library.
I have the Star Wars "Black Box" with all 3 original movies in the original theatrical version, the loaded T2 with the James Cameron film school, the TRON and Fantasia box-sets, The Compleat Tex Avery box-set, the Criterion Dr. Strangelove and Robocop, and other assorted niftiness.
Anyway, even basic LDs came with extras.

So I was pretty much disappointed with DVDs from the get go.
I mean: compressed video, awful artifacing whenever there was an explosion on-screen or an abrupt change of lighting, the picture didn't seem any sharper, LDs already had CD-quality audio with surround so whoop-dee-doo.
These problems resolved themselves over time, with newer improved DVD players and likewise for DVD manufacturing techniques.

Now, I find myself not being concerned with extras so much.
I bought the cheaper, less-extra-ed versions of "Atlantis: The Lost Empire" and "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within", and I'm fine with that.
That said, I do want "Hellboy: Director's Cut", and not so much for the extras as for the actual Director's Cut itself.


In other news, what is up with that poster of "The Descent"?
It's like a bad attempt at recreating the skull detail from the moth on the "Silence Of The Lamb" poster, which is itself lifted pretty much wholesale from a Salvador Dali photo.
Sheesh...


Date: 2006-08-06 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Also, you tend to assume that the girls are cheerleaders, not spelunkers, which immediately turned me off. "Oh, great, a horror movie about cheerleaders."

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Date: 2006-08-06 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padparadscha.livejournal.com
A really good horror movie? WOW! Not since Alien has there even BEEN one ...

Ian "Palpatine" McDiarmid is one of the Holy Trinity of old UK actors named "Ian," as defined by my friend and I in our evil Legion of Fangirls. And as for the rest ... I have never seen Sleepy Hollow, but it sounds like it has the World's Greatest Casting. Which Alfred? Michael Caine or Michael Gough?

Date: 2006-08-06 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Gough. I literally did not recognize him until Tim Burton said his name in the commentary. In fact, I'm *still* not sure I recognize him, as it were, except that it's *definitely* his voice.

You should totally see SH, by the way. It's probably a bit uneven, and it's only vaguely related to the Irving story, but I love love loved it on a big screen, and the atmosphere, cinematography and costumes are fabulous. As is the cast--I didn't even mention that Miranda Richardson's in it, for example. It's also really, really funny, in a deadpan kind of way.

(If your third Ian is Holm, I may be a candidate for your legion.)

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Date: 2006-08-06 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] particle-person.livejournal.com
If you hadn't posted Teresa's explanation of Total Eclipse just now, I was all set to bring it to you. I mean, it's got the 80s music thing viewed through science fiction lenses with Teresa there to bring the funny.

Date: 2006-08-06 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foresworn.livejournal.com
I think the thing where you're beginning to doubt your writing happens to everyone... hell, it happens to me all the time xD You have to take your bouts of creativity to the max

Date: 2006-08-06 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skyblade.livejournal.com
I always liked Sleepy Hollow as a throwback to Hammer Films. But Tim Burton can't do a commentary to save his life. The Planet of the Apes commentary was just him saying over and over "it is what it is". (Which is what my mom uses to describe serious medical conditions, so take that as you will)

(Between this and The Fountain, it looks like conquistadors are the new big thing.)

Heck, if you want to extend it to all of Europe's colonial period, you could include The New World. (Do you think any conquistadors show up in Apocolypto?)

Date: 2006-08-06 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Only if Mel can think of a way to make them English.

I love the old Hammer movies--anything with Peter Cushing and I'm there--but it totally didn't occur to me that they were a big inspiration for Burton until I listened to the commentary. I mean, the fakey-fake tomato-red blood, the melodramatic acting, even the windmill at the end (which is from I think *two* different Hammer movies--Frankenstein and possibly one of the Draculas, maybe the sequel that *didn't* have Lee)--it all makes sense now.

But yeah, his commentary is ungood. This is why I think he really needed someone else there--anyone, really--to sort of prompt him to tell some actual stories or move on from the Such a Great Cast fixation. Like, yes, it is--now TELL ME about it.

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Date: 2006-08-06 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com
Nnngh The Descent.

I downloaded it a year ago (it was a cam of a screener or something), because I absolutely fucking LOVE the book that it's loosely based on (in the same sense Apocalypse Now is based on Heart of Darkness). I... did not like it. At all.

Once I got over that it was nothing like the book (which took me about five seconds, 'cause I knew it going in), I should've loved it. I mean, they're UNDERGROUND and TRAPPED and there are THINGS EATING THEM!!! What's not to love???

A lot, apparently. It seemed to drag ooooooooon and oooooooooon and oooooooon. Which is kind of hard to do with what amounts to a creature feature, so I have to give them props for that. But damn. Did not like it.

Date: 2006-08-07 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wirrrn.livejournal.com

Hey,

I downloaded it a year ago (it was a cam of a screener or something), because I absolutely fucking LOVE the book that it's loosely based on (in the same sense Apocalypse Now is based on Heart of Darkness). I... did not like it. At all.

-I love THE DESCENT by Jeff Long as well. But I also love the film, which basically just used the book's opening chapter, with none of the "Biological/Anthropological explanation for the myth of Hell" stuff...

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Date: 2006-08-06 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthtall.livejournal.com
(Someone has an "Ichabod Crane: Girl Detective" icon that makes me laugh about as hard.)

Image

That would be the ever-lovely and talented [livejournal.com profile] paperandglue. All praise to her name! (She made my icon, too.)

Date: 2006-08-07 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] witchnyn.livejournal.com
::de-lurks::

i'm pretty sure it's actually inspired by johnny depp's description of ichabod, too, which for me just makes it that much funnier.

::re-lurks::

Date: 2006-08-06 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puffkrispy.livejournal.com
I'm actually at that exact point in something I'm writing, as well ... So it's definitely good to hear that I'm not alone in this endeavor. Good luck! :)

Date: 2006-08-06 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yarha.livejournal.com
Dangit. I just bought a 'history of Cortez' book without *any* promptings of pop culture..totally by accident. I am still uninfluenced, I say!

Yarha, Defiant Against All Odds

Date: 2006-08-07 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] graydown.livejournal.com
Just jumping in to ask... where is that bird-with-a-key icon from? It rules. Also, can I steal it?

Date: 2006-08-07 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Sure thing--I made it (i.e., cropped it) from an image of a card from Tony Meeuweissen's "Key to the Kingdom" card deck/game.

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0762421371/702-8511063-4941612?v=glance&n=916520

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Date: 2006-08-07 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] distant-cord.livejournal.com
But why always "Poor, sweet Satchel"? Why never "Handsome, mighty Stachel"?

Date: 2006-08-07 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pigsnicket.livejournal.com
I know! Satchel needs to get his due. I love Satchel.

Date: 2006-08-07 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] particle-person.livejournal.com
I highly recommend not talking about your project to anyone at this point, because it's at a very fragile point of development, by which I mean that it will sound like the dumbest thing ever if you try to describe it to someone.

Actually, I find this is the case even for work that isn't mine. Like, have you ever tried to describe the plot of the book you're reading to a random person you're sitting next to on an airplane (or bus/train/what have you)? There seems to be a rule that it will sound incredibly dumb.

"See, there's this really emo guy? And his dad's ghost wants him to get revenge for his murder. The dad's murder, I mean. The dad was killed by his own brother, who's gone and married emo guy's mother. But it's even weirder than that because emo guy totally has a thing for his mother. Meanwhile, there's this whole political thing because emo guy's dad? Was the king. And now emo guy's uncle is calling the shots. And they're all under threat of invasion. And that's, like, just the setup. It gets more complicated."

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Date: 2006-08-07 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilgoala.livejournal.com
I finished your book today. :D There was much giggling. Thank you for writing it.

I'm off to raid your m15m icon stash now. Hee!

Date: 2006-08-07 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wirrrn.livejournal.com
Hey,

I feel your DVD Special Features pain. Over her in Oz? Most local (R4) dvds consider the ability to put the dvd in your player and press play a "Special Feature". They redefine 'sparse', yo. I usually just nab US R1 dvd from Amazon now- the deal killer for me was FREDDY VS JASON's American release getting alternate beginnings/endings, three making ofs, deleted scenes, commentary by Freddy, Jason and the Director and a gallery. The Oz release's special features? the trailer- *including scenes only found on the US DVD*. Auuugh!

THE DESCENT is an awesome film, despite the crappy reshot US ending for the "Duh, me no understand- me need everything spelled out" brigade.

btw- you forgot to mention the heady delights of Casper Van Dien in SLEEPY HOLLOW *g*

bright eyes

Date: 2006-08-07 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] word-herder.livejournal.com
Let me first state that my family did not have a television set; this is the first exposure I've had to a music video prior to, oh gosh, 1999.

I am so intensely amused that I have TEARS in my eyes. What were they thinking? I actually liked that song (don't know where I heard it first, probably in a dentist office that played "light rock favorites from the 70s, 80s, and 90s," since radio was limited almost as much as television). But now? Now I swear I will snicker every time I hear it. I won't be able to help it because all I can see now are high school age boys (who look like they could belong to the Dead Poets' Society) wearing choir robes with glowing jack-o'latern eyes.

Date: 2006-08-07 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyrainverse.livejournal.com
Hmm. I'm at the point in a new story where I've gotten in just deep enough to feel stupid about it. As in, "Why am I writing this? Why am I bothering? It's so dumb. Seriously, I can't believe I even tried this."

Wait, wait, wait... this is only supposed to be a point? Not a years-long, on-again, off-again round of feelings of ineptitude? Man, I've been going about this all wrong! Curse my delusions of adequacy!

Seriously though, I do feel better after reading your posts on writing. Good to know I'm not the only one who mucks through this stuff.

Date: 2006-08-07 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blairwitchgreen.livejournal.com
I saw The Descent Friday, it is effin' scary as hell! Well worth admission :)
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