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Dec. 9th, 2005 06:05 pmI'm going to put all of the Narnia stuff behind a cut, but if you're on the fence and want something to push you over the edge into seeing the movie, this is it.
>> I had seen the pictures of the White Witch's battle outfit for months. The one with the polar bear chariot that's photoshopped to look blue and snowy in the poster art, you know--I've used it in my icons. But I'd seen it in its proper context and I still hadn't realized what I was looking at until I happened to read something on Narniaweb--I thought it was prairie grass or something (see interview snippet here). And no one I have talked to has realized what it was, either, until it was pointed out--once you know, it's obvious, but it--it's just not something you would expect.
So the battle at the end arrives, and I want my sister to fully appreciate what she's seeing, so I lean over and whisper, "You know what she's wearing, right?"
"No, what?"
"SHE'S WEARING ASLAN'S MANE."
"HOLY SHIT."
The White Witch is freakin' hardcore, y'all.
>> And then she pwns Edmund in battle.
>> And then she brings out the two swords and pwns Peter. You get the feeling that she could have totally finished him off if she weren't having so much fun fucking with him.
>> I have got to scan in the Michael Hague illustration of how Aslan finishes the Witch off, because--costume and setting aside--it is very like what actually happens. And is awesome.
>> Aslan is very obviously Liam Neeson; they didn't fiddle with his voice or lower it or anything. Fortunately, it didn't really stick out after the first couple of lines.
>> Speaking of which, the Aslan and beavers effects are awesome. Also, I just realized that I wasn't thinking of the wolves as effects as all.
>> They skip the part where Aslan and Susan and Lucy romp around after the Stone Table, and thank God, because I can see that falling completely flat on film. It would stop the movie dead right when the battle's just gotten started, and the effects would inevitably look likefirst Harry Potter movie quidditch crap.
>> Lucy is the cutest little girl ever. Like, weapons-grade cute.
>> My sister is now in love with Mr. Tumnus. I'm afraid she's going to have to fight Lucy for him, though, assuming that the vice squad doesn't come down on him for hitting on a toddler first.
>> My sister says she will settle for Peter.
>> I kind of want to hug Edmund. They got such a great kid to play him--he's a surly little bastard but he misses his dad and they spend 85% of the movie making him feel like shit for what he did, and shit's like, "HEY! Don't involve me in this!" I'm not even going to spoil the Witch's line in the dungeon when she tells Tumnus what Edmund did, because it's that awesome.
>> The part in the Witch's sledge is awesome, because you can see her petting and feeding and flattering Edmund with all this sugary calculation and then she just forgets and goes "NO YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYMORE!" It's not even so much that she's faking being nice as that she's faking being human.
>> P.S. Watch for the lion that Edmund drew a mustache on at the coronation. I can't figure out if the lion doesn't know he's got a mustache and glasses drawn on, or he can't get them off, or he's just so proud that the king drew on him that he doesn't care.
>> That, and I swear to God Susan actually says "Oh, REALLY?" at one point. I think it's around when they first get to Narnia, but I'm not sure. Seriously, someone watch for that and tell me what the context is, because I was too busying choking on my own laughter. I want a Susan O RLY? icon that somehow makes sense so bad I can taste it.
I had miscellaneous issues with the movie--the music was too loud, with too much Our Lady of Soundtrack Woodling; some of the lines and/or acting needed to be a little more natural (the scene where Susan and Lucy splash around in the creek comes to mind, and then the part just after where Susan announces that She Needs to Get Some Practice); I loved that they got Michael Madsen for Maugrim, but he needed to shut the hell up and just bite Peter, for God's sake, because that "You just don't have what it TAKES" shit got old fast; Peter needed to STFU after about the eighteenth "When are you going to learn?" bit; the major points of the movie were hammered home a bit hard ("Why don't you start ACTING like a family?"), but it is a children's movie, so I keep reminding myself to cut it a little slack. All in all, two thumbs up, didn't rape my childhood, Susan's got it goin' on, fine holiday fun.
I think the Lovely Emily and I may go see it tomorrow night (her first time, my second) when she gets in from out of town, whee!
ETA: "Ok so here's the hard part, which is better Narnia or Goblet?"

>> I had seen the pictures of the White Witch's battle outfit for months. The one with the polar bear chariot that's photoshopped to look blue and snowy in the poster art, you know--I've used it in my icons. But I'd seen it in its proper context and I still hadn't realized what I was looking at until I happened to read something on Narniaweb--I thought it was prairie grass or something (see interview snippet here). And no one I have talked to has realized what it was, either, until it was pointed out--once you know, it's obvious, but it--it's just not something you would expect.
So the battle at the end arrives, and I want my sister to fully appreciate what she's seeing, so I lean over and whisper, "You know what she's wearing, right?"
"No, what?"
"SHE'S WEARING ASLAN'S MANE."
"HOLY SHIT."
The White Witch is freakin' hardcore, y'all.
>> And then she pwns Edmund in battle.
>> And then she brings out the two swords and pwns Peter. You get the feeling that she could have totally finished him off if she weren't having so much fun fucking with him.
>> I have got to scan in the Michael Hague illustration of how Aslan finishes the Witch off, because--costume and setting aside--it is very like what actually happens. And is awesome.
>> Aslan is very obviously Liam Neeson; they didn't fiddle with his voice or lower it or anything. Fortunately, it didn't really stick out after the first couple of lines.
>> Speaking of which, the Aslan and beavers effects are awesome. Also, I just realized that I wasn't thinking of the wolves as effects as all.
>> They skip the part where Aslan and Susan and Lucy romp around after the Stone Table, and thank God, because I can see that falling completely flat on film. It would stop the movie dead right when the battle's just gotten started, and the effects would inevitably look like
>> Lucy is the cutest little girl ever. Like, weapons-grade cute.
>> My sister is now in love with Mr. Tumnus. I'm afraid she's going to have to fight Lucy for him, though, assuming that the vice squad doesn't come down on him for hitting on a toddler first.
>> My sister says she will settle for Peter.
>> I kind of want to hug Edmund. They got such a great kid to play him--he's a surly little bastard but he misses his dad and they spend 85% of the movie making him feel like shit for what he did, and shit's like, "HEY! Don't involve me in this!" I'm not even going to spoil the Witch's line in the dungeon when she tells Tumnus what Edmund did, because it's that awesome.
>> The part in the Witch's sledge is awesome, because you can see her petting and feeding and flattering Edmund with all this sugary calculation and then she just forgets and goes "NO YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYMORE!" It's not even so much that she's faking being nice as that she's faking being human.
>> P.S. Watch for the lion that Edmund drew a mustache on at the coronation. I can't figure out if the lion doesn't know he's got a mustache and glasses drawn on, or he can't get them off, or he's just so proud that the king drew on him that he doesn't care.
>> That, and I swear to God Susan actually says "Oh, REALLY?" at one point. I think it's around when they first get to Narnia, but I'm not sure. Seriously, someone watch for that and tell me what the context is, because I was too busying choking on my own laughter. I want a Susan O RLY? icon that somehow makes sense so bad I can taste it.
I had miscellaneous issues with the movie--the music was too loud, with too much Our Lady of Soundtrack Woodling; some of the lines and/or acting needed to be a little more natural (the scene where Susan and Lucy splash around in the creek comes to mind, and then the part just after where Susan announces that She Needs to Get Some Practice); I loved that they got Michael Madsen for Maugrim, but he needed to shut the hell up and just bite Peter, for God's sake, because that "You just don't have what it TAKES" shit got old fast; Peter needed to STFU after about the eighteenth "When are you going to learn?" bit; the major points of the movie were hammered home a bit hard ("Why don't you start ACTING like a family?"), but it is a children's movie, so I keep reminding myself to cut it a little slack. All in all, two thumbs up, didn't rape my childhood, Susan's got it goin' on, fine holiday fun.
I think the Lovely Emily and I may go see it tomorrow night (her first time, my second) when she gets in from out of town, whee!
ETA: "Ok so here's the hard part, which is better Narnia or Goblet?"
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:10 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-12-10 12:30 am (UTC)Goblet's also an "older" movie, in terms of the target audience, so it's a lot more harrowing (a good thing). On the other hand, they're trying to cram this huge book into less than three hours, and while they make some great adaptation calls, towards the end, the who/what/where/how starts to fall apart, like when Dumbledore's like, "They're going to find they're missing a prisoner." NO KIDDING, MAN. Narnia's the opposite--they've *expanded* a relatively brief book, so all the plot points you need to understand what's going on are there.
I've seen Goblet three times now and Narnia only once, so it's hard to judge--I'd have to see Narnia at least once more, because I can only think of it in terms of "Oh, I really loved that one moment" or "I wish they hadn't done that right there," rather than the movie as a whole right now.
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:12 am (UTC)"We used to have fun together, didn't we?"
"Yes. Before you got BORING."
"O RLY"
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:17 am (UTC)(Man, I have lived your icon so many times.)
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:17 am (UTC)Hahahahahahahha..I'm sorry... I was imagining Mister Hanky saying that..
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:19 am (UTC)Person 1: Dude, why is she wearing a frilly Elizabethian collar?
Person 2: Yeah, I already get her confused with Cate anyway.
Me: ... that's Aslan's mane, dorks.
Both: ... oh, snaps.
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:35 am (UTC)Tell your sister to watch Sci-Fi Channel's Children of Dune (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0287839/) miniseries from a few years ago. Mr. Tumnus (fka James McAvoy) is very shirtless in it. Sexy Shirtless Scot aside, it's also a pretty decent adaptation of the book.
She might also want to check out Rory O'Shea Was Here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417791/). It's a great movie, and Mr. Tumnus gets to show off his acting chops (as well as a slightly ridiculous haircut).
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:36 am (UTC)regardless, she was COMPLETELY bad ass - and lucy was the cutest little girl in the world.
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:37 am (UTC)I'm really glad to see you say this because the Narnia books, for me, occupy the same place the LotR books do for other people. I'm so glad everyone I know who's seen this movie is giving it great reviews, because it makes me feel better about seeing it tonight.
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:38 am (UTC)There have been emails going out to church-goers equating this movie to the Passion of the Christ and that they MUST go see it opening weekend to push it. Which is a bit scary, but okay, but it's then the whole tone of sticking it to the non-Christians which bugs me.
I take comfort in the fact that it drove Tolkien batshit, too.
But I want to see the Witch in action so. freaking. bad.
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Date: 2005-12-10 01:52 am (UTC)Tilda Swinton, in one of those interviews I linked to, said something really interesting--that she thought the story wasn't Christian per se because Christian stories tend to be about faith, about submitting to and finding comfort in a higher power, and LWW--the movie version, certainly--is rather about these children going out into the world (or this world, anyway) and learning to take care of themselves and triumph, which is more of a classic fairy-tale trope. I mean, the movie battle, in particular? Is fought on the assumption that Aslan is dead and will not be there to help them. It's not fought on the faith that someone will swoop in and save them, although that it happens is totally a bonus. It's fought because Peter and Edmund feel a responsibility to the Narnians, and they assume leadership roles and do things they didn't think they could (Peter, in particular).
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:42 am (UTC)*seriously cannot stop laughing*
My sister says she will settle for Peter.
Ummm, your sister pwns. *runs away*
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:59 am (UTC)James McAvoy at his hottest! (see Icon)
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:50 am (UTC)So I should check out his Narnia too. :)
(And the mane!! I feel like such a dork. I saw a bunch of clips from the film a few months back and couldn't figure out what she was wearing. *g*)
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Date: 2005-12-10 12:56 am (UTC)I love it how in most fantasy it would have been "We broke her wand - all her minions die and every enchanted person somes back to life!"
In this it's like "You broke my wand! Die Brat! Now I'll take your sword and go fuck up your brother."
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Date: 2005-12-10 01:15 am (UTC)I find that funny, in a really backwards way. If there ever was a lady to be named The One Of Angsty Wailing, it would be her.
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Date: 2005-12-10 01:17 am (UTC)And seeing as how he spent Children of Dune hitting on his sister, I'm strangely okay with him hitting on a little girl.
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Date: 2005-12-10 01:48 am (UTC)Peter was obscenely sexy. As was Susan, and that was slightly disturbing, as the last thing I'd seen her do was hit on Jonathan Lipnicki in The Little Vampire. I have no words to describe the brilliance of Mr. Tumnus (though when he and Lucy were staring off the balcony at Aslan, I was kind of like, "So...are you going to hook up now?"). And I think Susan says O RLY at the creek scene, after Lucy says, "Before you became boring."
That was my mini Narnia review because I can't be bothered to put it in my own journal. Eep.
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Date: 2005-12-10 02:55 am (UTC)Well if I didn't think the Witch rocked evil before I do now! Loved the movie SO much. Really. I just got back from it and had to force myself not to turn around and go see it again.
Now, I don't know it that's because James McAvoy is still so gorgeous even with all the prosthetics, or because Peter was played by someone cute enough to suit my longstanding literary crush, or because they kept throwing in references to the other books, or because it was THAT GOOD, or maybe just, like you said, I'm elated that they didn't rape my childhood. I think I need to give it some time to sink in and then go watch again before I really decide how awesome it was, but whatever I decide, it's convinced me that they damn well better make ALL the movies now. And they need to start yesterday.
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