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[cleolinda]

Quick but dumb question: what's "Sunday" in Latin (or is there even such a designation)?

ETA: Thanks for the quick answer, guys. : )



P.S. I just googled the phrase "bread and circuses" as part of my normal fact-checking process--and discovered The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy. This is a gem, people.

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[meredith-mae.livejournal.com]

I think it's dimanche in French, but I can't remember what it is in Latin at all.

[suitcasegnome.livejournal.com]

It is indeed "dimanche" in French. :)

[riadsala.livejournal.com]

"dies Solis" is what I found. So basically "Sunday"

[riadsala.livejournal.com]

or "dies Dominicus" if you want a more Christian bent. (Which if it's for Gladiator, you may not.)

[nitedula.livejournal.com]

Well, I've actually just been having a discussion on when the current days of the week (and indeed the current week) came into being in Rome. Originally, the Romans had an eight-day cycle, with a market day marking the end (so market day, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, market day, 1, 2...). The days were designated by the letters A to H (only on calendars, not in speech); which one was the market day seemed to shift depending on the year.

Googling finds various sites claiming that the 7-day week was in common use by the end of Augustus' reign (AD 14) and was officially adopted by Constantine in AD 321. So since Gladiator is set in AD 180-192 (yes, Commodus reigned for 12 years), and assuming those dates are accurate, both systems would be in use, but the 8-day cycle would be the official one.

I don't know what 'a "Sunday! Sunday! SUNDAY!" monster-truck rally kind of joke' is, but if it's one of those fake echo-y announcements ("the biggest, biggest, biggest thing you've ever seen, seen, seen" type thing), you could use "nundinae", which was the word for the market day, and has a nice ring to it. Quite a lot of fun stuff tended to happen that day, because it was a day when most people would have free time.

Probably a trifle more information than you needed...

[papervolcano]

Dies Solis is sunday

linky

[lizzyrose89.livejournal.com]

I swear this was in a recent 'word of the day' thingy... but I can't find it. Bugger. However I don't doubt that withing the thousand-and-a-bit people who have you friended there'll be a Latin speaker, so I'll leave it there. :-)

[lizzyrose89.livejournal.com]

Yup. *points above* See!

[neonhummingbird.livejournal.com]

discovered The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy. This is a gem, people.

I used to buy editions of this when it was an actual book -- used it to 'study' for a College Bowl equivalent in high school. It rocks.

[ladykatiewench.livejournal.com]

Actually, those aren't quite right. Yes, they literally translate to "day of the sun" but Latin has words for the days. I will keep looking through my notes to see if I can find it.

[dacaktty.livejournal.com]

Your icon was driving me crazy. I couldn't remember where I'd heard that before, and was about to ask you, then all of a sudden I was like "AH! Emperor's New Groove!"

...yes this was pointless.

...but I love your icon XD

[dreamingenigma.livejournal.com]

Eep. Thanks for the link!

[alpheratz.livejournal.com]

I'm sitting here and going wow, WOW, WOW at the link. Thank you!

[thunderphoenix.livejournal.com]

Whenever I see "Bread and Circuses" I think of that one episode of the old Star Trek with that planet where the Roman Empire was still around.

Funny how they ran into so many planets back then with societies just like Earth with minor variations.

[thespianlizling.livejournal.com]

OMG I do the same thing! Thank you for making me feel like slightly less of a lonerdork!
In my Modernism and Post-Modernism of Western Theatre, we were talking about Chekhov's (the playwright, not the ensign) issues with Stanislavski, and I made a "Dammit, Konstantin, I'm a doctor, not a director!" joke (a close paraphrasing of something he actually said) and everyone just stared at me. I had to explain it was Star Trek, and they all looked at me funny. Oh, the *shame*...

[ter369.livejournal.com]

Latin to English translator and the reverse:

http://cdsjcl.f2g.net/translate.html

Sunday doesn't equate with Roman Latin, as it's a post-Christianity concept. But try these calendar sites:

For days of week:
http://www.logofiles.com/calendar-elements.html

Other calendar concepts for the Romans:
http://www.polysyllabic.com/Roman.html

[takekammuri.livejournal.com]

ACTUALLY...

"Dies Solis" is the pagan name of Sunday. If you give Wikipedia a quick browse in Italian or Spanish, it will explain to you that "Dies Dominicus" {accent: doMInicus) is the Christian term for it, it being the day of the Lord ("dominus"). It Romance languages it's preserved as such: Domingo (Sp., Port.), Dimanche (Fr.), Doménica (It.), duminca (Rom.).

So, basically, you decide by picking your religion of choice.

[cleolinda.livejournal.com]

Gladiator seems to take place in pre-Christian Rome, but I can't be entirely sure.

[notaclue911.livejournal.com]

Isn't bread and circuses "panem et cercensis" or something? I could be wrong, I learned it in freshman world history honors, lol.

[bookwoman84.livejournal.com]

"panum et circentium", I think, but I'm not sure.

[leavesoflorien.livejournal.com]

omg Bread and Circus.... best grocery store EVER.... then they went and changed the damn name. *smacks them*

[particle-person.livejournal.com]

They were BOUGHT OUT by a chain from TEXAS. It was the TEXAS CHAIN-STORE MASSACRE!

[skyblade.livejournal.com]

I think there were Christians around this period, and according to some deleted scenes on the DVD, they shot scenes of Christians being fed to the lions, but even Scott realized they were copying old school sword and Sandals movies.

Luckily, this is Gladiator we're talking about. The U.S.S. Anachronism has already sailed, and it's not pulling into the habor anytime soon. Don't fret over little things like accuracy.

[cleolinda.livejournal.com]

Heh, seriously. I haven't watched the DVD extras yet, unfortunately. I think I may go with "Dies Solis" just because it makes the most sense in context. Maybe. I think.

[lesamalie.livejournal.com]

Dude! I have that book! Its sitting right in front of me on my shelf!

Its a great book. My sister got it for HS graduation put left it at home, so when I left, I took it with me. That's awesome that its online. :) I sure do love my reference books. My Roget's and I have a very special relationship propinquity. ;)

[foresthouse.livejournal.com]

Oooh. I actually have an old copy of the book, we had it as one of our school texts. It was really awesome.

[edda.livejournal.com]

Hey, awesome link! Thanks!

[vladimirsever.livejournal.com]

Plis for to hug kitty from Germany.

[cleolinda.livejournal.com]

KITTY!

[yarha.livejournal.com]

Never let a short question go by without a long answer. From here (http://www.friesian.com/week.htm):

"The 1st day in Latin is named after the Sun (Solis dies), but Christians also consider that the Lord's day (Dominicus dies), as in Greek. The 2nd day is named after the Moon (Lunae dies). The 3rd day is named after Mars (Martis dies). The 4th day is named after Mercury (Mercurii dies). The 5th day is named after Jupiter, or Jove (Jovis dies). The 6th day is named after Venus (Veneris dies). And the 7th day is named after Saturn (Saturni dies), though it can still be called the Sabbath (Sabbatum or Sabbati dies)."

Yarha, Carpe Diem or Crape Diem?

[particle-person.livejournal.com]

Carpe Dime, I say. At least if there's one lying on the sidewalk. Carpe penny, not so much.

[alexthedevil.livejournal.com]

Completely random question - Have you ever tried Vegemite? 0:-) I'm sending your Tim Tams in a couple of days (haven't been able to run down to the shops lately), and I'm curious as to whether you've tried Vegemite or not ;P

[cleolinda.livejournal.com]

Awww!

(Actually, I have tried Vegemite, and... yeah. Marmite and Vegemite are not foods that we Americans understand.)

[supersyncspaz7.livejournal.com]

That link just might have SAVED MY LIFE. I have to do a speech on Monday, and this could totally help in my research. [runs around the house screaming]

[yarha.livejournal.com]

Well, crap. Now *I'm* confused.

Yarha, Confused Muchly or Muchly Confused