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Apr. 4th, 2005 08:56 pmOh, you know what? I should go ahead and talk about Sin City before I dive back into the book.
Trailers: The trailers we saw were ass. Well, the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy "This is a movie trailer" preview invented new kinds of awesome, but other than that, I got, like, The Amityville Horror (which I had just spent the previous night debunking for my sister) and some awful movie with Morgan Freeman, about Jet Li being a dog, or something. Unleashed, that was it. It's a good thing Freeman's had a Teflon career for about fifteen years now, because... ouch. Oh, and Kung Fu Hustle, which was just sort of... weird. I mean, eventually I caught on that it was a spoof, but the trailer itself was cut in a way that left my audience pretty much at sea for the first minute or so. And that was all we got. No Star Wars, no nothin'.
The movie itself:
I walked out not quite knowing what to think. I talked to people who immediately loved it, people who hated it, people who thought it was a waste of time, people who've already seen it three times, and people who... don't quite know what to think. I personally would say that it's worth at least one viewing, if you can handle the sex and/or violence (I could; my sister, who's so "Oh, I've seen everything," couldn't), because it's an extremely groundbreaking film. Here's the best part about that: unlike Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, a similarly CGI movie, the acting is actually good. Point by point:
"The Customer Is Always Right": After seeing some panels from the comics, I was surprised that they went with someone as young as Hartnett, and his whole "The wind rises electric" monologue is pretty heady stuff to start the movie with. "Heady" as in, "I'm not sure he was really experienced enough to pull it off." But the surprise ending of the segment packs enough punch to keep people watching, I think--Sister Girl, who knew nothing about the movie going in, turned to me right after he shot Marley Shelton and hissed, "What?!"
The Hartigan prologue: Y'all, Michael Madsen was awful. I don't know what the problem was, but he could just not deliver the dialogue, for some reason. And he's usually good, which is the weird thing. Bruce Willis was great, and the verbose henchmen were great, and Nick Stahl was creepy even without his yellow on, but... Madsen, yeah. Ouch.
"The Hard Goodbye": It's sad when you're watching a story about a guy who's "so ugly" that even hookers supposedly won't sleep with him, and he actually looks good compared to the real thing. But Rourke is really good, and while some people apparently thought James/Jamie/Jaime/however she spells it to today King was bad, I liked her. I thought the interrogation-of-Marv scene with King and Rosario Dawson was kind of bad, for some reason, but okay. My sister was taken aback by the immediate and fairly graphic sex scene, but I for one appreciated the lack of L-shaped sheets (to steal an Ebertism) on a logical level, if nothing else. My question is simply--whose heart-shaped bed was that supposed to be? Marv's? Goldie's?
P.S. Frodo is dead, and he was killed by a crazy little ninja Charlie Brown. Who apparently beat Harry Potter up for his glasses while he was at it. And then ate him. Between Kevin's big scene and "He made me WAAAAAAATCH!," I started to wonder exactly what I'd gotten myself into. Carla Gugino was kind of awesome, though. Strange little cameo from Rutger Hauer, too.
"The Big Fat Kill": I think this is probably the most enjoyable section, if not the actual best in terms of quality, because, let's face it: the Marv storyline is horrific and the Hartigan storyline is depressing. The Dwight/Gail storyline at least has some fun. Speaking of which, poor Clive Owen--I wish they'd let him just use a very toned-down British accent instead of trying to go completely American, because he couldn't sustain it. Not that I can blame him, because he never got to shut up. That said, of course he got all the best lines in the movie, including but not limited to "I'm the designated driver," "And things were going so well," and that great line about the Pez dispenser. His red Chucks were awesome and his hair had a life of its own. I was pleased, for the most part. I wanted to love Rosario Dawson, and she looked fab, but she seemed to take a while to settle in with the pulp dialogue (see: bad scene with Marv). Still, she was 32 kinds of bad-ass. I actually thought that Brittany Murphy was well cast, but again--the dialogue. "Damn you, you damn fool!" was awful, although, now that I think about it, I'm not sure there's anyone who could have pulled off that line. But she's put in this situation where you're going, "Why the hell are these two men fighting over her when Gail is down the street?" That's why I thought they cast her well--she got across that drama-kitten vibe that I've seen with so many girls like that. So, good in theory; bad in execution. I honestly can't tell if Alexis Bledel was awful or just playing a really annoying character really well, since I've never seen Gilmore Girls, but I'm hearing that she's like that in pretty much every role she's ever done. That don't bode well. As for Benicio Del Toro--I really liked him in Traffic, and I think he was perfect for Jackie Boy, but... maybe he was too good, because I kind of loathed him. As in, the cult of the hotness of Benicio has officially passed me by. I don't know.
The weird thing? The one slam-dunk performance in this whole section was from... the model. Maybe it's because Devon Aoki had no dialogue, but Miho was awesome, and I wasn't expecting that.
Oh, and--Irish mercenaries? Frank Miller, what the hell?
"That Yellow Bastard": I keep forgetting what an underrated actor Bruce Willis is. Everyone I've talked to, without exception, has come out raving about how surprisingly good he is in this movie, and with good reason. I just wished they'd tweaked the dialogue so that he was pushing fifty, or "old enough to be her father," because the whole "There's wrong, and there's wrong, and there's this" ick factor really didn't come across. I mean, if you'd plunked Clint Eastwood down on that couch with Jessica Alba, I would totally see where you were coming from (but please don't get any ideas for a sequel, because--ew). But we're so used to seeing middle-aged action heroes get young babes--hell, I'm pretty sure Bruce Willis is actually dating girls this young in real life--that those lines just don't fly with this particular casting choice, which is otherwise perfect. I was really surprised by Jessica Alba here as well--again, I think it's a case of good casting, because I don't know that she necessarily had to exercise major acting chops or anything; she was just an extremely good combination of innocent and worldly--vulnerable, but not childish. And Nick Stahl, again, was good, although I don't know how much to credit to him and how much to credit to his grotesque makeup job. (Actually, having really enjoyed the first season of Carnivàle, where he was totally different, I'll give him the benefit.) Just... you guys? If there's a bad smell in your car that smells like the bad-smelling bad guy... maybe you should check the car. I'm just saying.
And while I'm thinking about the end of this one, I have to say: that's a remarkable amount of testicular homicide for one movie. I don't know that I've ever seen so many castrations and castration threats in one sitting before. And I mean, hey, I'm a girl, so I wasn't terribly rattled, but--that was all very, very interesting. I'm probably a bad feminist for enjoying this movie as much as I did, but I thought there was a strange chivalrous vein running through the movie--one that characters like Gail even mock. I mean, on one hand, you have hookers who run their own show and keep out "the mob and the pimps and the rapes," but at the same time... they're still selling themselves. On one hand, Dwight's all concerned about the streets running with "blood--women's blood," but at the same time he doesn't trust them to take care of themselves when they clearly can. It's a strange white-knight kind of syndrome, where men want to protect women and value them on certain levels without always respecting them. Anyway, that's enough grad-student speak for tonight. I don't want to get into a huge feminist argument (and in fact, if you try to engage me on this point, I won't answer, because I need to get back to work), but... I'm just saying that it was complex, and therefore interesting. And that I almost think that, instead of having a hate on for women, the movie had a hate on... for men. It's not the kind of thing I'd want to see in the real world, but this is so clearly a film-noir fantasy that I don't mind seeing it play out onscreen. That's what movies are for, right?
To sum up: the biggest problem, most likely, is the writing. At the end of the day, I think the movie would have benefited from a third-party screenwriter--that is, someone to function more like an editor in the process of transferring the stories and the dialogue to the screen. The film-noir patter is great, but it does get overly repetitive--I kept waiting for Dwight to be like, "I love you, Jackie Boy." Dwight's voiceovers in particular are so pulpy and longwinded as to almost sound like parody. And I say this as someone who's actually seen several noirs from the '30s and '40s, and did enjoy the way that mood was handled--replicated and even expanded on--in this movie. I'm just saying, when you're sitting there watching Clive Owen and all you can think is, "CAN'T YOU EVEN SHUT UP WHILE YOU'RE KISSING HERRRRRRR?!," your movie has a problem. Again: don't take it out; just have another screenwriter, one not quite so in love with the material, get in there and do a little tightening. As it stands, I think the movie is a fantastic experiment that came thisclose to being a great film in its own right, and is definitely worth a view on the big screen.

Trailers: The trailers we saw were ass. Well, the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy "This is a movie trailer" preview invented new kinds of awesome, but other than that, I got, like, The Amityville Horror (which I had just spent the previous night debunking for my sister) and some awful movie with Morgan Freeman, about Jet Li being a dog, or something. Unleashed, that was it. It's a good thing Freeman's had a Teflon career for about fifteen years now, because... ouch. Oh, and Kung Fu Hustle, which was just sort of... weird. I mean, eventually I caught on that it was a spoof, but the trailer itself was cut in a way that left my audience pretty much at sea for the first minute or so. And that was all we got. No Star Wars, no nothin'.
The movie itself:
I walked out not quite knowing what to think. I talked to people who immediately loved it, people who hated it, people who thought it was a waste of time, people who've already seen it three times, and people who... don't quite know what to think. I personally would say that it's worth at least one viewing, if you can handle the sex and/or violence (I could; my sister, who's so "Oh, I've seen everything," couldn't), because it's an extremely groundbreaking film. Here's the best part about that: unlike Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, a similarly CGI movie, the acting is actually good. Point by point:
"The Customer Is Always Right": After seeing some panels from the comics, I was surprised that they went with someone as young as Hartnett, and his whole "The wind rises electric" monologue is pretty heady stuff to start the movie with. "Heady" as in, "I'm not sure he was really experienced enough to pull it off." But the surprise ending of the segment packs enough punch to keep people watching, I think--Sister Girl, who knew nothing about the movie going in, turned to me right after he shot Marley Shelton and hissed, "What?!"
The Hartigan prologue: Y'all, Michael Madsen was awful. I don't know what the problem was, but he could just not deliver the dialogue, for some reason. And he's usually good, which is the weird thing. Bruce Willis was great, and the verbose henchmen were great, and Nick Stahl was creepy even without his yellow on, but... Madsen, yeah. Ouch.
"The Hard Goodbye": It's sad when you're watching a story about a guy who's "so ugly" that even hookers supposedly won't sleep with him, and he actually looks good compared to the real thing. But Rourke is really good, and while some people apparently thought James/Jamie/Jaime/however she spells it to today King was bad, I liked her. I thought the interrogation-of-Marv scene with King and Rosario Dawson was kind of bad, for some reason, but okay. My sister was taken aback by the immediate and fairly graphic sex scene, but I for one appreciated the lack of L-shaped sheets (to steal an Ebertism) on a logical level, if nothing else. My question is simply--whose heart-shaped bed was that supposed to be? Marv's? Goldie's?
P.S. Frodo is dead, and he was killed by a crazy little ninja Charlie Brown. Who apparently beat Harry Potter up for his glasses while he was at it. And then ate him. Between Kevin's big scene and "He made me WAAAAAAATCH!," I started to wonder exactly what I'd gotten myself into. Carla Gugino was kind of awesome, though. Strange little cameo from Rutger Hauer, too.
"The Big Fat Kill": I think this is probably the most enjoyable section, if not the actual best in terms of quality, because, let's face it: the Marv storyline is horrific and the Hartigan storyline is depressing. The Dwight/Gail storyline at least has some fun. Speaking of which, poor Clive Owen--I wish they'd let him just use a very toned-down British accent instead of trying to go completely American, because he couldn't sustain it. Not that I can blame him, because he never got to shut up. That said, of course he got all the best lines in the movie, including but not limited to "I'm the designated driver," "And things were going so well," and that great line about the Pez dispenser. His red Chucks were awesome and his hair had a life of its own. I was pleased, for the most part. I wanted to love Rosario Dawson, and she looked fab, but she seemed to take a while to settle in with the pulp dialogue (see: bad scene with Marv). Still, she was 32 kinds of bad-ass. I actually thought that Brittany Murphy was well cast, but again--the dialogue. "Damn you, you damn fool!" was awful, although, now that I think about it, I'm not sure there's anyone who could have pulled off that line. But she's put in this situation where you're going, "Why the hell are these two men fighting over her when Gail is down the street?" That's why I thought they cast her well--she got across that drama-kitten vibe that I've seen with so many girls like that. So, good in theory; bad in execution. I honestly can't tell if Alexis Bledel was awful or just playing a really annoying character really well, since I've never seen Gilmore Girls, but I'm hearing that she's like that in pretty much every role she's ever done. That don't bode well. As for Benicio Del Toro--I really liked him in Traffic, and I think he was perfect for Jackie Boy, but... maybe he was too good, because I kind of loathed him. As in, the cult of the hotness of Benicio has officially passed me by. I don't know.
The weird thing? The one slam-dunk performance in this whole section was from... the model. Maybe it's because Devon Aoki had no dialogue, but Miho was awesome, and I wasn't expecting that.
Oh, and--Irish mercenaries? Frank Miller, what the hell?
"That Yellow Bastard": I keep forgetting what an underrated actor Bruce Willis is. Everyone I've talked to, without exception, has come out raving about how surprisingly good he is in this movie, and with good reason. I just wished they'd tweaked the dialogue so that he was pushing fifty, or "old enough to be her father," because the whole "There's wrong, and there's wrong, and there's this" ick factor really didn't come across. I mean, if you'd plunked Clint Eastwood down on that couch with Jessica Alba, I would totally see where you were coming from (but please don't get any ideas for a sequel, because--ew). But we're so used to seeing middle-aged action heroes get young babes--hell, I'm pretty sure Bruce Willis is actually dating girls this young in real life--that those lines just don't fly with this particular casting choice, which is otherwise perfect. I was really surprised by Jessica Alba here as well--again, I think it's a case of good casting, because I don't know that she necessarily had to exercise major acting chops or anything; she was just an extremely good combination of innocent and worldly--vulnerable, but not childish. And Nick Stahl, again, was good, although I don't know how much to credit to him and how much to credit to his grotesque makeup job. (Actually, having really enjoyed the first season of Carnivàle, where he was totally different, I'll give him the benefit.) Just... you guys? If there's a bad smell in your car that smells like the bad-smelling bad guy... maybe you should check the car. I'm just saying.
And while I'm thinking about the end of this one, I have to say: that's a remarkable amount of testicular homicide for one movie. I don't know that I've ever seen so many castrations and castration threats in one sitting before. And I mean, hey, I'm a girl, so I wasn't terribly rattled, but--that was all very, very interesting. I'm probably a bad feminist for enjoying this movie as much as I did, but I thought there was a strange chivalrous vein running through the movie--one that characters like Gail even mock. I mean, on one hand, you have hookers who run their own show and keep out "the mob and the pimps and the rapes," but at the same time... they're still selling themselves. On one hand, Dwight's all concerned about the streets running with "blood--women's blood," but at the same time he doesn't trust them to take care of themselves when they clearly can. It's a strange white-knight kind of syndrome, where men want to protect women and value them on certain levels without always respecting them. Anyway, that's enough grad-student speak for tonight. I don't want to get into a huge feminist argument (and in fact, if you try to engage me on this point, I won't answer, because I need to get back to work), but... I'm just saying that it was complex, and therefore interesting. And that I almost think that, instead of having a hate on for women, the movie had a hate on... for men. It's not the kind of thing I'd want to see in the real world, but this is so clearly a film-noir fantasy that I don't mind seeing it play out onscreen. That's what movies are for, right?
To sum up: the biggest problem, most likely, is the writing. At the end of the day, I think the movie would have benefited from a third-party screenwriter--that is, someone to function more like an editor in the process of transferring the stories and the dialogue to the screen. The film-noir patter is great, but it does get overly repetitive--I kept waiting for Dwight to be like, "I love you, Jackie Boy." Dwight's voiceovers in particular are so pulpy and longwinded as to almost sound like parody. And I say this as someone who's actually seen several noirs from the '30s and '40s, and did enjoy the way that mood was handled--replicated and even expanded on--in this movie. I'm just saying, when you're sitting there watching Clive Owen and all you can think is, "CAN'T YOU EVEN SHUT UP WHILE YOU'RE KISSING HERRRRRRR?!," your movie has a problem. Again: don't take it out; just have another screenwriter, one not quite so in love with the material, get in there and do a little tightening. As it stands, I think the movie is a fantastic experiment that came thisclose to being a great film in its own right, and is definitely worth a view on the big screen.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:00 am (UTC)Uh...and weird side note. I love Rutger Hauer, and may go see this movie just for that cameo. *slowly backs from the thread*
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:01 am (UTC)Also, since I'm having friends do random call center banter in the background, a few bits from M15M keep popping in. You are being credited in the project notes liek whoah.
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Date: 2005-04-05 03:55 am (UTC)Damn him!
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:10 am (UTC)I adored that movie. I watched it with my brother and we didn't really have any idea what to expect. It was so much fun ^_^
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:08 am (UTC)Hehehe...I kept thinking that if he smelled that bad, how did he hide in their car without them smelling him. That part bugged me more than anything else, lol.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:12 am (UTC)1) Everybody I've talked to who's seen the film disliked Michael Madsen's character. You need to really sell the dialogue when it's as clunky like this - think Titanic or Charlton Heston - and he seemed to be holding back. I cringed, but fortunately he wasn't there much.
2) My favorite quote: "I always knew Frodo couldn't handle the pressure."
3) As I said to someone else who suggested cleaning up the dialogue:
The dialog was taken straight from the comics, and it was (even then) purposely over-the-top bad. I'm not entirely sure that you want to clean it up, though; as I said elsewhere, when you make a movie that's so reliant on style, the last thing you want to do is make it natural anywhere. It's the robot effect, which I can't remember the name of right now; robots like C3P0 look fine to us, since they're distant. But the moment they verge towards humanity in a way that's close-but-not perfect, they become very creepy and distracting, because you can put your finger on what's not right about them. I think naturalizing the dialogue might have actually hurt the movie.
That said, it could use some polishing; just that there's a severe danger that you polish too much and you lose the flow of things.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:16 am (UTC)Yeah, so it wasn't just me. I didn't understand why it wasn't working.
that great line about the Pez dispenser
Yes! That was awesome.
I keep forgetting what an underrated actor Bruce Willis is.
I love Bruce Willis. And the thing is, I was a little surprised by how bad I thought he was in that first scene, because he rocked the rest of the way through. Maybe Michael Madsen just brought him down.
It's a strange white-knight kind of syndrome, where men want to protect women and value them on certain levels without always respecting them.
Oh yeah. The whole gender politics morality was really confusing. Marv doesn't like it when tough guys hit dames...but he knocks Wendy out like it ain't no thing. Or maybe it was Lucille. I forget. But the same thing with Dwight. He's all, "Must save the women!" And then he punches Gail. It was confusing.
People said it dragged at points, but I really didn't notice. After a certain point, I was totally sucked in without even realizing it. There was all that voiceover narration, which was like being told the story, and I was of two minds on it, the one being SHOW DON'T TELL DAMMIT and the other being, "Hello, I'm being told a story! This is why I watch movies! Because I love storytelling! This is why I didn't like Lost in Translation! Because there was no story!" The latter mind won out, obviously.
Good review. If you'd like to read it, here's mine (http://www.livejournal.com/users/spectralbovine/6383.html). It seems to have convinced several people to go see it, which is cool.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:27 am (UTC)I love Bruce Willis. And the thing is, I was a little surprised by how bad I thought he was in that first scene, because he rocked the rest of the way through. Maybe Michael Madsen just brought him down.
See, exactly. I couldn't figure out why it wasn't working, either--it's like Madsen played the character as too much of a schlub, or if the character needed to be a schlub, they needed a different actor to do it.
Oh yeah. The whole gender politics morality was really confusing. Marv doesn't like it when tough guys hit dames...but he knocks Wendy out like it ain't no thing. Or maybe it was Lucille. I forget. But the same thing with Dwight. He's all, "Must save the women!" And then he punches Gail. It was confusing.
Again: exactly. I couldn't remember if he hit Gail or not, but I thought he did. But you do see that conflicted kind of white-knight complex in a lot of noir--the tough guy smacks the dame/moll/broad around, but at the same time, he'll be really chivalrous at other times. It was the castration fixation I found odd--usually you see more misogyny in this kind of thing than--what would you call it, misandry? Seriously, I'm sure other movies/books are out there with this kind of overt male-male aggression/sexual jealousy, but I'm so unfamiliar with it that I was fascinated.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:16 am (UTC)I've been turning over the gender issues in my head since watching the movie, and your post gave me some additional food for thought. Thanks for the extra insight on some ideas I may have otherwise missed.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:26 am (UTC)Will you take a 2-week raincheck? The gender-politics questions are some of the most interesting stuff in the movie, but you're completely right that that discussion will eat up an evening.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:27 am (UTC)But I will resist, because I am actually seeing this movie in the theaters. But I am memorying this for after.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:32 am (UTC)Cult hotness - never touched me. Odd.
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Date: 2005-04-05 08:15 am (UTC)And yes, that movie looks terrible. I got it during my previews too, along with War of the Worlds, Unleashed, and Domino.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:34 am (UTC)I was too happy to see Michael Madsen, but quite disappointed with his performance as well. I keep flashing back to Reservoir Dogs and Kill Bill and wondering what happened in between the greatness and the extreme suckiness.
We lucked out with most of the trailers... Star Wars was the first one. We didn't get Hitchhiker, and instead we got War of the Worlds, which for some reason looks stupid and interesting at the same time. And then some other crap that didn't look worthy of attention.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:36 am (UTC)I have to agree with that, I saw it with my boyfriend, and each time it happened and he cringed it got really disturbing to me too. lol. But I adored it. A lot. Hence the icon :)
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:49 am (UTC)I thought it was neither's, just a hotel room they'd gone to. I just checked the comic, and it reads "It's a lousy room in a lousy part of town." And Goldie is running from psychotic Charlie Brown, so you'd think she wouldn't go back to her place.
I loved this film. Loved it from the first moment. Maybe that makes me a bad feminist, I don't care. I've been kind of "meh" on Clive Owen until this movie, which is odd because Dwight really is a doofus. And I love Bruce Willis. He's just so much better than he's given credit for. I have to say that I didn't really get too invested in the women in the movie, but then, it's not *their* stories, so you're supposed to be focused on the male leads.
I don't know. I loved it. Analyzing it might just ruin it.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:53 am (UTC)I do agree with you about the anti-man vibe. It suprised me when some of the people on my friends list were irritated about the depiction of women -- I mean, everyone was a stereotype.
That fake nose on Benecio del Toro was muy scary. :)
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:53 am (UTC)It's actually an okay movie. I prefer Shaolin Soccer - it was much more hilarious. But I don't think Hustle was trying to be funny the entire time. But yeah.. all I could really say after watching it was "ehhh."
It's sad when you're watching a story about a guy who's "so ugly" that even hookers supposedly won't sleep with him, and he actually looks good compared to the real thing.
Yeah, they didn't really need to give him makeup. His actual face is scary enough. But I really did love his performance, and felt incredibly sorry for Marv.
I think casting Elijah as scary ninja cannibal dude was spot-on. Kevin is so extremely opposite from Frodo that it made him creepier. The focus on his eyes helped. You can tell that Elijah had a lot of fun doing that. Though I agree, it was kind of odd watching Rutger Hauer cradle Kevin's head like that.
I honestly can't tell if Alexis Bledel was awful or just playing a really annoying character really well
I think she was miscast, plain and simple. She just didn't sit right with me. Too much like her character on The Gilmore Girls, except without the good dialogue and wearing hooker clothing.
Not the best character Benicio has ever played, but I think we were supposed to loathe him, and he pulled that off PERFECTLY. I will always love him, and seriously, am I the only person in the world that sees the resemblance with Brad Pitt? Not in this movie, of course, but like.. everywhere else.
Devon Aoki ROCKED. She's got that mean face that I see a lot of Asian chicks walking around here have - like they're mad about being here, for some reason. I tried the mean face once, and my friend Devin just laughed at me and said that me trying to look angry is just comical.
In the beginning of the movie, unless I heard him wrong, Madsen's character said to Hartigan, "You're pushing sixty," which totally confused me since Bruce looks NOT AT ALL sixty. He doesn't even look fifty. But he was all kinds of brilliant in this movie.
I wasn't getting the ick factor between him and Nancy, either. (And I have nothing really to say about Jessica Alba, because my boyfriend really really likes her, so I try my best to hate on her because he likes to hate on Dom. We love each other, really.) Nick Stahl was a lot creepier without the makeup, but if I hadn't known beforehand that it was him under all that yellow, I would not have recognized him.
The constant voiceovers were getting a little tiresome by the time we hit the 3/4 mark. It was like, omg shut up now, can't we just watch without knowing EVERY SINGLE THING YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT.
I liked it, though. Visually, it's stunning. Story-wise, it could have been a lot better. Dialogue needed some work. But pretty good overall. I'd buy it on DVD.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:53 am (UTC)Something about Frank Miller that always made me wonder is his portrayal of police in his material... with the exception of Detective Hartigan, the police are corrupt... and if they're not in plainclothes they're in riot gear...
I liked Klump and Shlubb and was a teensy bit annoyed that their argument about "borrowing" Junior's car got short shrift in favor of Hartigan's voiceover.
For a moment I thought one of those Irish mercs was... Billy Boyd?
And yes, all I have to do is go reread The Big Fat Kill, but just what did Stuka say right after the arrow hit him? I dimly remember "Hey!" as opposed to "Ow." and then the whole "Would ya look at that? It's gone right through me... Say, this is really starting to hurt."
I like what you do. :)
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:56 am (UTC)Yes! Me too! It was freaky. But it wasn't him, I guess.
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Date: 2005-04-05 02:55 am (UTC)Also I loved the movie, because the good outweighed the bad for me and it helps that Clive was very hot.
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Date: 2005-04-05 11:04 pm (UTC)(What made it more hilarious for me, is that the more I laughed at the trailer, the more the teenys behind me [who apparently made the mistake of making this movie the first they've ever snuck into] get really mad.)
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Date: 2005-04-05 03:04 am (UTC)Word, yo. Somehow, cute lil furry-footed angsty Elijah Wood managed to scare the living bejeesus out of me in this movie. His first scene, I was literally like "GAH SO CREEPY!!" and then like "Dude, is that Elijah Wood?? OMGWTF?!"
...I hearted this movie like Woah, I must say ^^
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Date: 2005-04-05 03:05 am (UTC)In one scene it sounded like they borrowed the soundtrack of Troy, with all the wailing.
I called Elijah "Harry Potter" the whole movie.
It was nice to read your analysis though.
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