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So, here's who I emailed last night:

>> The closest House representative to me, Mark Gaines. If I don't get a reply this weekend, he's getting a formal handwritten letter with the rest of 'em.

>> Jaunita Owes, the librarian/ALA (Alabama chapter) official quoted in the article.

>> Neil Gaiman, since the link basically came from his journal in the first place. You laugh, but since he's worked with the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, I figured he might have some advice on the most effective way to tackle this.

Of the three people, who writes me back first? Neil. Here's what he has to say:

"Right now I'd concentrate on just bringing it to people's attention, and suggesting that Alabama people contact their lawmakers to ensure they understand that it would be a bad and expensive law and not one that would make them popular with their voters..."

So there you have it. Although I might amend the "not make the popular with their voters," because, quite frankly, there's a large number of people here it would make them popular with. And yes, that's terrifying. The tack I took with Rep. Gaines was to point out what a wonderful opportunity smacking this bill down quickly would be to show the rest of the world that Alabama isn't backwards, and that we can do the right thing. I'm hoping that, if we get this across to the more metropolitan representatives, they may be able to convince others.

So: If you would like to get involved, I would suggest 1) posting about this on your journal/blog/website and/or 2) sending a link to the al.com article, or the previous entry in this journal, or both, or whatever, to people you know and get the word out. While I want to stress the censorship angle because I think that's the one that will work, there are two kinds of people you'll want to alert: 1) gay & lesbian groups and 2) "book people," including librarians, English teachers and professors, freedom of speech groups, etc. If you're in Alabama, please tell them that they need to write to their representatives and encourage this bill's defeat on the following grounds:

1. Massive, wide-ranging censorship is bad, and defeating this bill is an excellent opportunity for Alabama to show the world that we don't do that kind of thing.

2. Massive, wide-ranging censorship is expensive--do you want to ask for the tax raise to cover it?

And if you know Alabamians, as someone in the comments last night pointed out, you'll know that we have a pathological fear of taxes; I can't tell you how many good initiatives have been defeated because they involved wrenching a few dollars from taxpayers.

If you're not in Alabama, I can only ask you to spread the word--to the same groups of people, but to anyone, really, you think would be outraged interested. And y'all seem to have been doing pretty well in the last twelve hours or so. But in case you were wondering, yes, I have no problem if you link to this or the previous entry. I will, however, be screening comments on both entries starting now, because I know how high-profile posts attract trolls; comments that are helpful, positive, or legitimately concerned will be unscreened. Why? Because this is not about people coming here and making fools of themselves; this is about going out into the world and making our voices heard.

Date: 2004-12-03 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cpip.livejournal.com
God bless ya, Cleo. As you might've seen in my LJ, I griped because a lot of folks who vented their moral outrage probably wouldn't do anything about it.

I'm glad to see someone IS.

Date: 2004-12-03 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Hey, I totally understand moral outrage fatigue. I guess there's just something about this issue, between it being about books and being in my state, that just made this seem like the battle I wanted to pick.

Date: 2004-12-03 07:25 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] fba.livejournal.com
If you're not in Alabama, I can only ask you to spread the word

I got there before you on this one! It is great that you are trying to do something about it though - I never expected any less of you tbh.

Go girl! Give 'em hell!

Date: 2004-12-03 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Thanks. : )

Date: 2004-12-03 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] p-tripp.livejournal.com
So: If you would like to get involved, I would suggest 1) posting about this on your journal/blog/website and/or 2) sending a link to the al.com article, or the previous entry in this journal, or both, or whatever, to people you know and get the word out.

Consider the cause duly pimped!

:D

Indeed!

Date: 2004-12-03 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thunderhowl.livejournal.com
Pimped here too.
^_^

Re: Indeed!

Date: 2004-12-03 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mustang-bex1126.livejournal.com
Journal-and emailed to all of my friends and family (we're Irish/Italian= big family) plus my university colleagues and the Campus FMLA and Gay and Lesbian association.

Date: 2004-12-03 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marciamarcia.livejournal.com
Hi, fellow Alabamian here. We're going to be talking about this issue and what we can do about it at the next meeting of the Birmingham Human Rights Campaign. One of the things I think we're going to focus on is a sort of public shame campaign. Basically, making sure that news sources outside Alabama are covering this and that it doesn't just go under the radar.

The next meeting is Dec. 15, 7:00 p.m. at Anthony's
(2131 7th Ave S).

If you aren't familiar with us, the HRC is a national lobby organization dedicated to securing equal rights for everyone, regardless of sexual orientation. Our chapter in Birmingham has chosen to focus on reaching out more to the community first, rather than politicians. We're always looking for people to help us change minds.

Maggie

Date: 2004-12-03 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Awesome. I think a public shame campaign would be a key component in defeating this--I think this is also what Neil was hinting at. Let me know if there's anything else I can do.

Date: 2004-12-03 08:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marciamarcia.livejournal.com
Come to the meeting and bring friends. The more people we have working on these issues the better.

Plus, it's fun. And there's Italian food.

Date: 2004-12-03 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Hmmm. A gay friend of mine is really up in arms about this--if he's free that night, maybe we can come...?

Date: 2004-12-03 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marciamarcia.livejournal.com
You're more than welcome. You don't have to GLBT to join. We'd love to get more allies actively involved.

Letter writing guidelines and information

Date: 2004-12-03 07:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madista.livejournal.com
http://www.pineapple-girl.com/activism/lesson1.htm

I haven't ever written a letter to any elected official and the site above isn't mine, but she gives a lot of good information about the letter writing and receipt process.

Re: Letter writing guidelines and information

Date: 2004-12-03 08:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Thanks--I haven't ever written letters like this before, either, so this is extremely helpful.

Date: 2004-12-03 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanorkat.livejournal.com
Wow. Watch you go!!

This is fantastic. I'm not in America, nor am I a US citizen, but I am linking as many people to this story as possible. Bless you.

Date: 2004-12-03 07:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mariebernadette.livejournal.com
Thank you for posting about these issues. I don't live in Alabama but I have a feeling it'll through the South quickly and to where I live. Kentucky's had to live through the dread of not being able to say the word "evolution" in public school classrooms a few years ago. I just hope the current politicians in my area are open to listening and learning about the problem instead of thundering through their own agendas without pause for what it does to its constituents.

Date: 2004-12-03 07:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] majormeg7.livejournal.com
So, you still don't know me, but this is a subject I have to post about. I'm from out of state, so I'll start spreading around the word up here in Massachusetts. I guess that will contribute to the public shame/outrage idea. Kudos to you for doing something about this.

Date: 2004-12-03 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockgeisha.livejournal.com
I'm very nervous about what people from outside the state are going to say if they contact Alabama representatives so I'm glad that you posted suggestions. The reps will roll up like armadillos if they're approached with hate and anger.

But here's some good news about us regarding the medicinal marijuana hearings: "Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi, conservative states that do not have medical marijuana laws, sided with the marijuana users on grounds that the federal government was trying to butt into state business of providing 'for the health, safety, welfare and morals of their citizens.'"

Now if only we could get that pot. And vibrators.

Date: 2004-12-03 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Word.

(I love how there are specific issues you can use as levers here in AL. Can't convince them to be open-minded, but if you try to raise taxes or butt into state business, God help you.)

Date: 2004-12-03 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arielchan.livejournal.com
You gotta love Neil, he's one cool, handy dude.

I'll probably just go pimp this on my LJ now.

Date: 2004-12-03 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1screaminglamb.livejournal.com
I've been so busy with my classes that I haven't really had the chance to read your posts lately. Now that I have a few minutes to myself, I am thinking WTF! I skimmed through the previous relating post of yours and just shocked...no, not shocked. I just have no words for this. Why are some Alabama representatives trying to pass this bill? Moral issues? I don't think they should point fingers like that. Ugh, it irritates me. And I'm from NY. I'm not one to force ideas on people but that bill is ridiculous.

Wouldn't that mean that they would have to cut out the Classics department in all the universities in the state? I mean hell, there are many a gay innuendo or blunt references to it there.

What ever happened to being the country of tolerance? I'm all for gay rights and is friend with many a gay. I have my limits to one what I can accept. But if one wants to limit or not have their kids read such things, don't put it in the ciriculum? Like Texas with their "great idea" of teaching the kids safe sex. They tell them to practice abstinence and don't tell them of alternatives. Yet they have one of the highest, if not the highest teen pregnancy rate in the nation. Yeah, that's teaching them to be smart. Slowly but surely I feel like this country is headed towards an Orwellian fate.

Sometimes the politics of this country irritates me so, that I would love to just go conquer a island nation, via the planting of a flag. The only people who can live there are people who are smart and fair. None of this fuzzy math, none of this stupidity.

That is my 2 cents. Why are we academic folk barraged with such stupidity? How is it that few of us lead the country? or if they do, go down the path of greed? Stupidity grates the nerves. Mine are frayed. *sigh*

two random thoughts

Date: 2004-12-03 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mustang-bex1126.livejournal.com
Knolwedge is power, power corrupts. Get smart, be evil. =)

But the truely wise saying, (which I am not intentionally stealing HONEST) "The man who desires power should never have it, and those who are qualified would never want it." Always loved that one.

I don't know if you're school has a Women's Studies Dept, but I can't help but think that it would be completely eliminated. Which would fit they're agenda, stopping the free expression of feminism. Next they'll get rid of all books pertaining reference to non-biblical relationships, and there goes the neighborhood. Say goodbye to "To Kill a Mocking Bird." and millions of other works.

When humans abbandon compassion and reason, they sacrafice their humanity.

Re: two random thoughts

Date: 2004-12-03 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1screaminglamb.livejournal.com
Very well said. I had not had my coffee when I read the article. I am kind of glad that I live in a blue state, if you know what I mean (not to get political or anything.) It is strange though...why is it that the democratic states vote for republican governors? I'm not enthused by the governor of my state, nor did I vote for him the last 2 times. *sigh* The NYC education system has been screwed over by him so many times! We barely have books for the students! ARG!!! To use the words of Cicero, Roman orator. "O tempora! O mores!"

I am wary of what the next 4 years will bring. But you are right, "when we abandon compassion and reason, we sacrifice our humanity." To go the way of the cynic, I would not be suprised if the idea of rounding up all the muslims and gassing them have crossed the President's mind. sad. really sad. To me I have likened this (and I think many have as well) whole Homeland Security and Guantanemo Bay thing to _1984_ and (pick one) Nazi/Japanese concentration/internment camps of WWII.

There ought be a way to rally the despondents to vote for what is reasonable correct, and not become despondent ourselves.

Pugamos barbaros! (We fight the barbarians! in Latin)

Re: two random thoughts

Date: 2004-12-03 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mustang-bex1126.livejournal.com
I'm hoping I didn't steal that last quote.

Blue States and Republican Governers eh? I'm in Nevada. We have a fairly Liberal Republican Governer, and are home the the Senate Minority (Democratic) Leader... There's a great book on my state that's out of print unfortunately.
"Morals Legislation without Morality: A case for Nevada" HAHAHAHA On a school note-When I was a Senior in HS (2000-2001) our brand-new AP government books included facts up to the latest Clinton Scandles and the immediately previous Senate session... My sister's friend is a Senior this year, and his AP book was updated for the 1994 election. This is the SAME school I went to three years ago. The books apparently went BACK in time. We also were required to attend "Sex Ed" for graduation, but were not permitted to ask any questions relating to birth control, abortion, condoms, etc. The girl behind me was 5 months pregnant at the time mind you.

Re: two random thoughts

Date: 2004-12-03 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1screaminglamb.livejournal.com
I believe that there may be a similar quote out there, but imitation is the best form of flattery as they say. In a despondent view, it could be said that there are no more new ideas in this world, that everything is just (in a more vulgar term) rehashed. (My professor flinched at that word when we were having a conversation about my paper topic and digressed.)

On better days, I believe that we make anew old ideas so that the current generation will know of 'lost legends'.

I'm watching "NOW with Bill Moyers" on PBS. He makes mention of how the government and some other people want to repackage Creationism as "Intelligent Designs", so that they can teach it in the public schools. UGH! This is not to say that I do not believe in God/higher being, what have you. But to only believe that the world was created only a little over 6000 years ago, when there is staggering evidence to say otherwise?! ...but I digress.

Anyway back to the topic at hand. I was just discussing this article, Cleolinda showed us, and my brother pointed out that its not just the Classics (as in ancient Roman/Greek/etc texts) that could be banned, but also Shakespeare!

"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." --From Hamlet (I, iv, 90)

Though in the play it refers to Claudius, I feel it fitting to some things going on in the government.

Date: 2004-12-03 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alysscarlet.livejournal.com
I'm in the UK but just wanted to add my wholehearted support to what you are doing. You put a fresh face on the 'Alabama' cliche. *g*

And the advice you are giving out sounds eminently sensible.

You have my sword.

Date: 2004-12-03 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maverick0324.livejournal.com
My Aunt and Uncle work for the admissions department of UAB. I don't know if this could do anything but I could call them and see if they could do something to alert the campus...

Date: 2004-12-03 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
Hey, that's where I go to school! Awesome.

Date: 2004-12-03 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maverick0324.livejournal.com
Woah wtf. My uncle is Ken Burke. Doubt you know who he is but whoa weird.

Date: 2004-12-03 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
That I'm at UAB too? Yeah. : )

Date: 2004-12-03 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xuntamedx.livejournal.com
I usually just come here now and again for the Lost recaps and such, but this really caught my attention.

I've spread the word on my journal.

Cleo, you absolutely rock for doing something about this.

Date: 2004-12-03 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] riney.livejournal.com
don't you just love neil gaiman? i e-mailed him during banned book week because he had an AMAZING quote in one of his posts that i wanted to use in an article i was writing, and he replied within a few hours!

and i am SO happy with what you're doing here! keep up the good work. and all those other supportive cliches people say.

Date: 2004-12-03 11:52 am (UTC)
lorax: A Stack of Books (Ice Age SHIT)
From: [personal profile] lorax
. . . . that's just fucking infurating. I live in Florida, so I know what it feels like to be hugely embarassed/ashamed of your state. Just remember it's not your fault if you do your part to combat the rampant stupidity - which you are, and then some, it seems.

I don't have all that many places to pimp this, but I definitely will. God. someone should geld that goddamn Allen so he doesn't ever spread the genes of stupididty and rampant prejudice to another generation.

On a more positive note - how awesome is Neil that he writes you back? The man is a prince.

Date: 2004-12-03 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faded-lilac.livejournal.com
Not in Alabama, but I'm linking this entry and the article about it. Good Luck down there!

Date: 2004-12-03 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matttheaiguy.livejournal.com
I recently wrote a post for my own LJ on other, related topics. Needless to say, I'm behind you 100%, even if I live in Michigan.

Matt

Date: 2004-12-03 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ambiguousreason.livejournal.com
I'm definitely going to post about this in my LJ -- I'll probably link back to your original post about it. Granted, no one on my friends list is from Alabama, but it'll still get the word out.

Date: 2004-12-03 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foresthouse.livejournal.com
I'm not surprised Neil wrote back first. I've never written to him but from one person and another posting it is clear that he responds asap and cares more about his public than, say, the legislatures.

Anyway, I'm going to post the article in my journal and I sent the article to my mom the English teacher (in NJ, but whatever. She loves The Color Purple and they teach Dorian Gray in school, so maybe she will help spread the word).

Good luck with hearing from the reps!

Date: 2004-12-03 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] banakil.livejournal.com
Hmmmm... maybe it's time for me to re-up with the ALA.

Date: 2004-12-03 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com
If you do, let me know--it would be great to have someone who has an in. I've emailed a local ALA official, but I'm sure she's deluged by the media at the moment.

Date: 2004-12-03 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashanta.livejournal.com
Just letting you know I quoted you on my LJ and linked the article and your previous post...hoping the word gets out to the few people who read my LJ as well. Keep up the good work, Cleo!

Date: 2004-12-03 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashanta.livejournal.com
Just wanted to add I also posted the link to the article in my college's LJ as well, just so more people would see it.

Date: 2004-12-14 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] captainsblog.livejournal.com
Sorry I'm a little late to the book-burning. I've just thrown my own two Northern cents in on this subject--

http://www.livejournal.com/users/captainsblog/76181.html

tying together this stupidity with the Attack of the License Plate people.
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