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cleolinda ([personal profile] cleolinda) wrote2010-09-01 05:54 pm

onoz two days in a row

So, to recap from yesterday's entry plus the ETA, in which Twilight somehow got even creepier: based on new information about Breaking Dawn (spoiler: Nahuel is a sea monster), I have now developed a theory that there will be future books, and they will focus on the most pointless love triangle of all time (and after the original four books, that is really saying something). In an ETA, I developed a secondary theory that instead of having Nahuel meeble over Renesmee for several books and then get imprinted on by Leah (she can't have kids! he shouldn't! LET'S PUT THEM BOTH TOGETHER), Renesmee will decide that, hey! Imprinting means that Jacob has to be whatever she wants! So how about they be nothing but friends while she goes off with The Only Other One of Her Kind? And thus, Jacob will get screwed over by two generations of Swan women in favor of sparklepires. Which option is more ridiculously plausible? Discuss.

And then we got to talking in the comments, and I realized I had never discussed the Clare Quilty Conundrum in an entry proper. Yeah, it's bad. It's so bad. Even worse, it's completely inexplicable.  

[livejournal.com profile] cleolinda: I have to think that 1) someone suggested the names to her, snickering all the way; 2) she heard them somewhere and didn't know the context; 3) this is the greatest cosmic coincidence of all time.

[livejournal.com profile] incogra: Oh man, just the thought of possibility #1 has cheered me up. I would buy that person all the beers.

And with that, I think I have officially run out of things to horrify you with. I am pretty sure that's all I've got at this moment in time. There's nothing else I've forgotten; I am holding nothing else back.

Except, wait--did I ever mention that I suddenly realized, like, a year and a half after reading Breaking Dawn, why the whole wedding night fade-to-black sex scene starts out in the "warm, tropical waters"?

Go get yourself a popsicle and think it over.


Meanwhile, LiveJournal is up to new shenanigans. Actually, I found one of them really helpful, one of them potentially obnoxious due to inevitable user abuse, and only one of them a little bit shady.

1. If you have a Facebook account, you can comment on LJ with it.

See, this is great for me, because so many people have Facebooks that, if you added in Twitter users, you'd pretty much cover 95% of everyone who reads this journal who wants to comment but can't. (Occasionally people get an LJ account just to do so, but the reluctance with which they do it tells me there are more people who would like to comment but don't to go such lengths.) I don't really care if you comment under a real name or a fake one, but I want people to attach their comments to some kind of identity, because that makes them less likely to flame me (see: The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory). Occasionally you get a [livejournal.com profile] cleoloindaisgay, but that was one of the most awesome things that ever happened here, so I'm okay with that.


2. You can now cross-post your random-ass, context-free LJ comments to your Facebook and/or Twitter.

I think you can see how some spam-happy people with no sense of moderation could turn this into a massive annoyance. However: if you do not enable this, and/or you do not tell LJ what your Facebook and/or Twitter accounts are, it will not happen. Unlike everything else on every other social network ever, you actually have to opt in to this, and go to some length to do so. Even then, I'm pretty sure you either can set the feature to approve this for each comment individually. And if you're sick of seeing the useless ticky boxes you don't want to use anyway, there's a Firefox extension for that. But LJ is not making you annoy the shit out of everyone on the internet. That's totally your call.


3. Please note that you can choose to have comments posted to protected entries cross-posted to Facebook and/or Twitter, and the text of those comments will appear to all your followers on those sites, but clicking the link will not show the full entry to anyone who does not have access to view it. The cross-posting options will automatically be unchecked when commenting to a Friends Only or Private post, so that no protected comments are sent to Facebook or Twitter by accident.

Well, this is... ill-advised. They pretty much need to take the option to cross-post anything on an entry that is not public, period, off the table. However... I hate to break it to you, but people you trusted being able to screw you over is not new. People can cross-post an entry link/comment fragment to Twitter... or they can copy the whole thing out and repost it on their journal, just the way they always could. Maybe I'm an idiot, but I'm not seeing the Shock Horror here. It's not a good idea per se, but LJ is trying to help people not do it accidentally; I'm sure some well-meaning people will cross-post comments they think look innocuous, but again: they always could have done that. LJ has done some objectively shady things. I just don't think this is one of them.

Anyway. I look forward to getting my ass chewed off in the comments. By which I mean, I am looking for my riot gear.

ETA: Okay--on the other hand, here's a good explanation of how #3 is a problem. I think I'm having a hard time visualizing all the information a cross-post would give away (maybe because I don't pay attention to Facebook, where you have more than 140 characters for a message). Also, why you would ever want to do it in the first place. Like I said, it's a bad idea, regardless.

ETA 2: In the name of science, what a cross-post looks like on Twitter. It won't let me connect to Facebook (?). There are some definite issues.


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This $18M mansion here in town has 15 bedrooms, 16 full baths, 2 poolside cabana homes, a movie theater, an apartment in a barn, and 12 office cubicles. Just like I always wanted.

Oxford English Dictionary 'will not be printed again.'

American Girl's Felicity line discontinued. D: D: D:

Two new Deathly Hallows pics from Empire (oh, Scrimgeour); NBC Developing 'Harry Potter For Adults.'

@justinpie: @cleolinda if you keep sending NBC Ron-Draco slash, they will eventually make a show out of it.

First Look at Ian McShane as Blackbeard in Pirates of the Caribbean 4.

Alexander Skarsgard Says He Handles 'A Big Gun' In 'Battleship'; First Look at 'Battleship': Rihanna Pretends She's in the Navy.

Black Swan's Venice Debut: Is This The Psycho Ballerina Movie We've Been Waiting For?; 'Black Swan' Reviews Call Film "Weird, Sexy and Devastating";
Black Swan and The Wrestler originally envisioned as one movie (...what?); Natalie Portman's gown is pretty awesome.

REVIEW: Machete Cuts Just Deep Enough to Leave a Mark.

'The Chronicles Of Narnia: The Voyage Of The Dawn Treader' Sets Out For MTV's Fall Preview; Kristen Bell Puts On Her 'Burlesque' Show in aforesaid preview as well.

New Image From Zack Snyder's Sucker Punch. Now with 63% more dragon.

New 'Conan' Images Prove Weird Topless Orgy Scene Does Exist! All kinds of weird shit came out today, y'all. I don't even know.

'Nowhere Boy' John Lennon And Paul McCartney Meet For The First Time In This Fall Preview Clip.

"The Rock" Replaces Brendan Fraser in 'Journey 3D' Sequel.

'Kick-Ass 2' Will Happen, But Is It Worth It?

A syllabus and book list for novice students of science fiction literature [Scifi101].

'RoboCop: The Musical' and 'Terminator 2: The Opera' Will Make Your Day.

Watch This: Juliette Binoche Says GĂ©rard Depardieu Might Be Jealous of Her. Man, who picks on Juliette Binoche? She's like... rainbows. Made of ice cream.

And finally: Which Of These Movie Posters Is Worse?



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[identity profile] eleigh.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Anyway. I look forward to getting my ass chewed off in the comments. By which I mean, I am looking for my riot gear.


You will not get chewed out by me because I totally agree. I kept trying to figure out why people were so pissed off. It's opt in, for one and even if someone posts a comment from a locked entry they can still only post their comment and it's completely out of context. And, you're right, people could always do that before livejournal has just made it easier.

The way the hue and cry went up I thought that livejournal was letting people post your content on Facebook or Twitter and then I thought maybe it was opt out only or they didn't give you the option of opting out and that's not the case at all.

[identity profile] maetang.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
they can still only post their comment and it's completely out of context

That's not quite correct: they post their comment, AND the title of your original post. So for instance, if your locked post was titled:

"I don't know who the father is. :^("
"Should I come out to my parents?"
"Still trying to find a new job so I can get away from my disgusting boss!"
"Enjoy this hot slash fic I've just written!"

That will also appear on the crosspost to FB.

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[identity profile] holdouttrout.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, it's pingbacks that now have me worried... apparently you do get pingbacks on an entry you posted, including part of the text, even if the post that links you is private (http://cofax7.livejournal.com/787096.html). So... Person A writes something and posts it publicly, and then Person B rants in private... and Person A gets a pingback. *facepalm*
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[personal profile] kerri 2010-09-01 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
From what I know, the few instances that this has happened so far have been times when the posts have been public and then made private after the pingback is sent. People have been testing it out over in this entry on dreamwidth.

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[identity profile] whoyouinvent.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
i think the facebook/twitter thing will just increase the frequency of 'tourists' onto LJ - people who would not otherwise have been here. which could be harmless, and is actually good for traffic for a lot of people, but i'm not going to be commenting on popular blogs or communities with my default icon anymore (which is pretty recognizably me) - i'm already running into people i know in the oddest places.

(whoops, all of my other icons are old and irrelevant)

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[identity profile] xerinmichellex.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Man am I glad I went Felicity-crazy at the American Girl Place in Chicago last year and bought all her outfits.

Also, LJ is letting us opt-in to stuff? It's almost like they respect our privacy! Craziness!

[identity profile] jisatsu-ganbu.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
It's probably bad that my first thought after reading about Felicity was, "YES! Now that Felicity doll I've kept since I was 10 will be worth A MINT." Or maybe I'll will it to one of my future children for their own get-rich-quick schemes. But then the pain set in when I realized my childhood dream of owning all her clothes and furniture and accessories will never come to pass. :(

I checked the website and all her stuff is still up. Is this a "phasing out" that's going to occur?

I love Jezebel's writeup! My parents would have NEVER bought me one of those dolls, and I begged like the world was ending. But that's what Grandmothers are for! :p

[identity profile] xerinmichellex.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
If it's like what they did when they archived Kirsten, then they're waiting for all of Felicity's stuff to sell out--which is gonna happen in a manner of weeks. By the holidays, I expect there to be no trace of Felicity.

[identity profile] fading-october.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I just can't even begin to think about those future books (if it were to be true.) I would have to read them...I wouldn't be able to resist the crazy....but it would be like one of the D stories on All My Children or some awful garbage.

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[identity profile] pandorablu.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't get the shock and outrage over the LJ news either? *ducks rotten tomatoes*

It's just, if you go through all the hassle to enable it, then click the ticky boxes, then you WANT to be seen and have your fandom life cross your FB life (which is one of the biggest arguments I've seen against the option). It's easy to NOT do something, but nooooooooo just because it might happen if you do A, B and C (then stand on your head and spin around...) people are getting uppity about it.

And as long as things that are supposed to remain screened/f-locked are STILL screened/f-locked, then I have no issue with the option being there. IF I enable it and IF I click the extra ticky-box, then it gets seen. That seems to be getting lost in the 'OH HELLZ NO'.

I just... don't get the internet outrage sometimes. *shrugs*

[identity profile] maetang.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
And as long as things that are supposed to remain screened/f-locked are STILL screened/f-locked, then I have no issue with the option being there. IF I enable it and IF I click the extra ticky-box, then it gets seen.

The thing is, you may not choose to enable the option, but other users can, and then they can crosspost comments - including comments to your screened and f-locked journal posts - to FB and Twitter.

Say someone quotes part of your post in their comment, the way I have quoted you in my comment. That will also end up crossposted.

I've asked that my Friends do no crosspost from my journal, and particularly not from F-locked entries. However, it's easy for people to accidentally tab and select the crossposting option, as it is just before "post comment". So if my friends are used to tabbing quickly between options, and say someone is posting when they're tired, or posting in a hurry, it's possible to accidentally crosspost.

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[identity profile] fading-october.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Waaaait...this is just a ~theory~ or whatever..but isn't she supposed to be writing about mermaids...what if it somehow is a tie-in to the sea monsters?

[identity profile] quorothorn.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, what is this.

"Books are about to vanish"

Excuse me? Bull. We know that printed books will still be around forever. From Doctor Who if nothing else, we know this to be true.

[identity profile] roseredhoofbeat.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
If embracing technology spares me from a grisly death by Vashta Nerada, I might have to go along with that.

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[identity profile] hollyxu.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Re: reaction to #3 - I just quit Facebook to avoid its oversharing shenanigans, and to have this sprung at me sorta pushed some buttons. I suspect a lot of others are thinking of the Google Buzz fiasco earlier this year, and do not want a repeat. Besides, a sterling record LJ hasn't got.

(I saw 'Terminator 2: The Opera' as 'Temeraire 2: The Opera', and my first reaction was OH YAY TEMERAIRE SINGS.

It was a beautiful moment.)

The Clare Quilty thing: I saw it and dismissed it as a complete accident, because Claire is a common name and Quil probably harks back to the Quileute tribe. (Which is still stupid, but in no way evil genius-like.)

I mean, either that or her editor sabotaged things subtly, having already succumbed to despair.

[identity profile] christwise.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Go get yourself a popsicle and think it over.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

[identity profile] nohara-megami.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
My reaction exactly D:

[identity profile] dives.livejournal.com 2010-09-01 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I grew up in the late 90s/early 2000s, and first stumbled onto the internet around age 11 or so in 2000. I remember a time when under NO CIRCUMSTANCES WHATSOEVER was I EVER to put online
-my real name, even my first name was pushing it since it's unusual
-my hometown
-photos of myself

So it's ingrained into me to never give out any sort of identifying information unless I'm absolutely certain I'm willing to have it out there (writing, etc), and to make up some kind of internet alias.

To see companies like Google or Facebook (or...Livejournal) being like INPUT ALL YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION TO OUR SITE! LET US SPREAD THIS INFORMATION ALL OVER THE INTERNETS! IT'LL BE FINE! WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT? is just inherently worrying to me. When I got Facebook in 2006, most of the reason I was willing to use it at all was that the network was limited to college students at my school, so if someone was to try and stalk me I knew it could only be a finite group of people/could involve the school if necessary. And it's why I was so angry when FB opened the network to the entire world and kept dicking around with privacy settings.

I don't know if I'm being paranoid, but it honestly worries me to see so many people putting so much information online about themselves without thinking about who might be looking at it.

[identity profile] cmdr-zoom.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
This, right here.
(I'm about a decade ahead of you, but otherwise, yeah.)

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[identity profile] ladyknight27.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
The Nahuel/Nessie thing made me want to cry. The Clare/Quil thing made my jaw drop. But with the warm tropical sea suggestion, and the POPSICLE... you have officially broken me.
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[personal profile] silverusagi 2010-09-02 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
and they will focus on the most pointless love triangle of all time (and after the original four books, that is really saying something)

Bella was the biggest Mary Sue ever until she gave birth to an even bigger Mary Sue. It only makes sense that her daughter would have the most pointless love triangle.

why the whole wedding night fade-to-black sex scene starts out in the "warm, tropical waters"?
Go get yourself a popsicle and think it over.


Edward plans ahead.

[identity profile] cupcakery.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
I clicked on 'New 'Conan' Images Prove Weird Topless Orgy Scene Does Exist!' and was saddened that it wasn't Conan O'Brien.

And I am devastated over the OED, let me tell you.

[identity profile] quorothorn.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Seconded.

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[personal profile] blue_ant 2010-09-02 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
The issue for me is not so much Twitter and Facebook users creating accounts or the crossposting of public posts (as I do this all the time with Tumblr and some other blogs). My problem is with the locked posts. I understand that people are able to c&p and screen cap my locked posts wherever they want. But you have to make an effort to do this. With the FB/Twitter connect enabled it's really, really easy to do it -- both on purpose and by accident.

If you use your LJ like a blog, and many people do, this isn't a problem because your blog is public. The problem is that a lot of people, myself included, use our LJs as a journal that happens to have other people reading -- with our permission. I like my illusion of privacy and I do not like the fact that LJ has taken it away.

I think probably if you don't have a locked LJ, it's hard to understand why this is upsetting to people who do. I don't care if people want to crosspost their own comments in their own journals to twitter or facebook. What I don't want is for them to be able to do this for comments in my locked LJ. I am supposed to have some degree of control over my locked content and LJ has taken that away. I can't control what other people post, but I certainly should be allowed to make it harder for them to repost content, not easier. And I don't even understand the need to crosspost locked content in the first place.
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[identity profile] padawansguide.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Nicely said.

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[personal profile] snacky 2010-09-02 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
I like how no one over at MTV can get the Narnia actors' names right. Poor Georgie! :(

On the FB thing, now that I'm calmed down and am certain that people can't access my locked posts, even if they're linked on FB, the thing that I really object to is that LJ took the choice out of the users' hands. "Oh! Facebook! Shiny! Why not link everything, FB says that's cool and they do it all the time! How can we go wrong?!"

[identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
I'm still trying to grasp this--you can choose to cross-post your own comments, but not whether someone cross-posts a comment relating to your (locked) entry?

I think my problem is that this Facebook Centralization thing is so stupid that I couldn't even imagine why you'd do it in the first place, so I wasn't able to imagine how it could bite someone in the ass. (I did put in an ETA, though, of an explanation of how it could go horribly, horribly wrong.) I mean, you know how I am about protecting my identity/privacy/what-all if I can't think of a reason to get weirded out, I must really not be understanding something.

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[identity profile] jenny-wildcat.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
Felicity - GONE??? NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! D: D: D:

[identity profile] maudelynn.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
GDI, why can't LJ offer an option to cross post Alexander Skarsgard or Sam Trammel to my house?
Shady puckers.

[identity profile] seamonkey-mags.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
I thought it was fairly explicit in BD why they were in the warm tropical waters (I mean, explicit for SMeyer). I seem to recall actually being surprised that you didn't bring it up.

Other option is that I'm just that filthy, which is also totally plausible.

[identity profile] cleolinda.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
I think I was so caught up in what a honeymoon-paradise cliche it was that I didn't think about it. Keep in mind that I was pretty much reading and recapping simultaneously--did it take me one day or two to do all the writing? I can't remember.

Of course, I very innocently thought that Edward would just watch Bella sleep from, like, the tree outside her window. Apparently I just like to think the best of people.
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[personal profile] msilverstar 2010-09-02 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
I had two WTF moments in three lines: first, I thought Kristen Bell was burlesque dancing in Narnia, then that Conan O'Brien had a weird topless orgy on film!
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[personal profile] the_rainbow_jen 2010-09-02 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
I honestly think it'd have to be a subconscious thing on Smeyer's part, but I can't assume what her college reading lists were like - might have to ask my roommate who went to BYU as well. I have some doubts that Lolita made the cut.

And it took me a few minutes to get what you meant by the fade to black but now I can't stop laughing. Bella skipped feathers and went to the whole chicken, didn't she?

[identity profile] maelie.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
Except, wait--did I ever mention that I suddenly realized, like, a year and a half after reading Breaking Dawn, why the whole wedding night fade-to-black sex scene starts out in the "warm, tropical waters"?

Go get yourself a popsicle and think it over.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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[identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
...BRB spending my next four paychecks on my Felicity ::weeps:: WHY YOU DO THIS, NOT-SO-PLEASANT COMPANY!

[identity profile] edoraslass.livejournal.com 2010-09-02 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
So am I the only person who was so distracted by Josh Duhamel in his underwear and Katherine Heigel grabbing at his leg that I had to read the article to realize what their objections to the poster were?

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