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cleolinda ([personal profile] cleolinda) wrote2009-03-06 04:56 pm

Watchmen

So I just got back from the movie (note: or at least I had when I started writing this), and I've got a massive Movie Headache, and I'm a bit overwhelmed by the whole thing, but on the whole, I really liked it. I think the thing you have to understand about Watchmen going in is that, despite what the trailers try to sell you, it's not an action movie. On the surface, it's a slow-burning murder mystery with some apocalypse thrown in, but the majority of it is character study: here's half a dozen "costumed adventurers," here's how they each got into masked vigilantism, and here's how they're coping with a world where they're not allowed to be who they really are--heroes--anymore (short answer: not well). And then, late in the movie, some action shows up, but that's not really what the movie's about at all. In the end, it's not even about the murder mystery--it's about something much, much bigger.

The movie itself is gorgeous--the sets in particular are fantastic, and I may be alone here, but I really like what they did with the hero costumes. (I particularly like Laurie's--even her gloves have garter straps, to the point where the costume's almost a parody of itself. Of course, it's also unironically titillating as well, so the movie's having its cheesecake and eating it too.) And the credit sequence montage is such a great way to brief newcomers on how--and why--the movie's world is different from ours, how costumed adventurers came to be, how the nation reacted to them, and what their role in history was. There were a number of bits in there that I don't remember from the book, so it gets inventive as well.

As far as the acting goes, I felt like Jackie Earle Haley was definitely the standout--but then, Rorschach is such an amazing character. That's one of the things I love about Watchmen (GIGANTIC DOOM SPOILER AHEAD): Rorschach is, depending on the scene, weird, off-putting, loathsome, terrifying, pitiful, and... something I almost want to call "noble." He is, it turns out, the hero of the story--the one who seeks justice, the one who refuses to compromise. And over here, you've got Ozymandias--perfect handsome invincible billionaire Ozymandias, obsessed with making the world better, willing to do anything to save humanity--no matter how terrible. He certainly functions as the villain, and even if you argue that the ends can justify the means, I don't know that he has the right to make that choice in the first place, even if he succeeds at his mission (or does he? Does it really work out in the long run?). So there's this wonderful interplay between what it means to be a hero or a villain within both characters, and what Ozymandias does is so horrifying that it sufficiently tarnishes his exterior perfection and, furthermore, his best intentions. Rorschach is harder to pin down, and harder to explain what exactly redeems him--I can't really explain why I ended up liking him so much in the book, but Jackie Earle Haley manages to bring all those same qualities to life. (And he looks perfect with the red hair.) He also gets the most badass line in the entire movie, IMO, and since this is just my opinion talking, I'll go ahead and tell you that it's "I'm not locked in here with you, YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME!"

(And you know why the most badass line is not "I did it thirty-five minutes ago"? BECAUSE THEY CHANGED IT. Not much, but "I triggered it," etc., just does not have the *EPIC SNAP* simplicity of "I did it." I can't believe they went out of their way to blow something like that, for real.)

I gotta say, though, I have no idea what was going on with Matthew Goode and his (intentionally?) prissy wandering accent. I know he can do an American accent because he was AMAZING in The Lookout, and I actually refused to believe he was British when we were discussing that movie in the car afterwards. So he is, in fact, capable of picking an accent and committing to it; I have no idea what he was doing with Ozymandias there. (ETA: Wait! Maybe this!)

Anyway. I'm sure there are a lot of other things I could say (major point: Ozymandias's new plan didn't bother me at all, because... I really don't know how they would have shown or explained the original one. A giant faux-alien squid developed by artists and writers and scientists from the brain of a dead psychic? Really? This movie's already two and a half hours, you think you've got time to sell an audience on that?), but I'm still a little overwhelmed. It's not a flawless movie, definitely not. And of course it's not as good as the book (which was a complex series of interweaving narratives and print media), but then, when they make a movie they don't burn all existing copies of the book so it's not like a movie irreparably robs you of anything. In my mind, I was judging the movie against what it could have been like--when it did feel right, it felt very, very right, and that's all I wanted. And I feel that's all you can ask for from a book adaptation, no matter how faithful it actually is.

So now I'm going to have a couple of Advil and a lie-down. Yes. If I have an opportunity, I will see it again, though.

P.S. My mother, who had no clue what it was about except that "the commercials look AWESOME," says she really liked it.


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[identity profile] lilplayahater08.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I wasn't going to go see Watchman, but your reviews are so honest that if you say its worth it, I know it worth it.

Plus the trailers don't give me an inkling of whats going on, so know at least I know what basically happens. :)

[identity profile] alliancesjr.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd agree with all that, definitely, with the exception of that some of the scenes would have been a lot more poignant had they not swapped out the score with period tunes. Now, I like Simon and Garfunkel, Hendrix, etc., but the actual orchestral score was pretty decent and the songs kind of slightly detracted from it.

Rorschach was SPOT ON. Comedian, Nite Owl, Old Spectre, YES. Ozymandias? Not so much.

I'll refrain from discussing the major points of my opinion; have to save something for the show, right? (What day is good for you? I think we're just waiting on Adam to see it at this point.)
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[identity profile] annlarimer.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Rorschach is, depending on the scene, weird, off-putting, loathsome, terrifying, pitiful, and... something I almost want to call "noble." He is, it turns out, the hero of the story--the one who seeks justice, the one who refuses to compromise.

Very well put.

I look forward to the horror of seeing fandom woobify him, as they did Pyramid Head and the Joker.

[identity profile] sigma7.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't seen any consensus or any discernible pattern in the reviews so far -- major or minor media, bloggers or critics, comic die-hards or "it was a comic book?" -- I've seen disturbingly polar responses from everyone. But after decades of waiting to see this little exercise play out, oh, hell, there's no way I'm staying home for this. (And your, and your mother's, response gives me hope.)

I bought my tickets...thirty-five minutes ago.

[identity profile] manekikoneko.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Patrick Wilson has a gorgeous ass.

I also loved the rest of the movie. The dialog felt weird at the beginning, but then I got into it and it worked. Also, the music was completely perfect and amazing.

[identity profile] wenelda.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Honesty time:

I am so fucking sick of hearing about this movie. I didn't like the book, and I have seen all of these freaking previews for ages and I'm just so tired of it. Now I know exactly how people who hated The Dark Knight felt when everyone just kept going on and on about it.

That said.

Soon as I get my tax return I'm going to go see it.

Well played, Snyder. Well played indeed.

[identity profile] madripoor-rose.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't seen Watchmen yet, but I've been reading reviews, and somewhere on the internet I saw something about Adrian having the 'all-American Boy Next Door' accent when speaking publically, and a tinge of his native German in private, and that it was great subtext on what a manipulative son of a bitch he is.

[identity profile] angelene.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
it's not an action movie.

PROMISE?!

Because I was really hoping for that (that it was more of a uh I dunno, psychological drama..? Something like that... I haven't read the graphic novel) and fearing that they would cram as much action as conceivably possible into the movie, in order not to displease the audience or something, and now my expectations have risen up a notch (or ten).

Haven't read the rest of the review in order to avoid the spoilers, but the first paragraph is encouraging enough.

:)

[identity profile] aircrash.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
i kind of love rorschach. ;_____;

[identity profile] schmoosey.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly I loved the music..the elevator strains of Tears for Fears "Everybody Wants to Rule The World" while Veidt is talking about being able to buy and sell Lee Iaccoca company was well played.

And honestly the change of the ending aside it makes more sense to typical person who hasn't read the book. I loved the movie as a whole.

[identity profile] mariannec.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I have no idea what was going on with Matthew Goode and his (intentionally?) prissy wandering accent.

According to an interview it was deliberate.
Goode: The conceit that Alan Moore [co-creator of the "Watchmen" graphic novel] set up was that anyone who’s of German heritage is guilty because of what happened to the Jews, and Americans don’t seem themselves as guilty for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima … So I was interested in [having that duality] and I gave him a public and private persona, with a German and American accent … (http://www.examiner.com/x-3767-Celebrity-QA-Examiner~y2009m3d3-Billy-Crudup-and-Matthew-Goode-reveal-secrets-of-Watchmen-mystery-men)

[identity profile] maetang.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
There's information on Goode's accent on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen_(film)):

"Goode interpreted Veidt's backstory to portray him with a German accent in private and an American one in public; Goode explained Veidt gave up his family's wealth and travelled the world, becoming a self-made man because he was ashamed of his parents' Nazi past, which in turn highlighted the themes of the American Dream and the character's duality.[19] Because of the German-born depiction of Veidt, Goode pronounced his surname as "Vight".[20]"

Which can make sense to me, but I'm thinking would probably be lost on a viewer, since we don't have that much info in the film.

On the whole, I loved it. And that was my favourite Rorscharch line as well! Made me laugh with glee at his badassery when he said it.

[identity profile] splintercat.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay! I liked it a lot too! The opening credits were great, the changed ending was for the best, Rorschach was perfect. I thought Goode's accent switching was intentional because Veidt is German. I had a hard time imagining a better movie adaptation.

The only thing that really bugged me when I saw it Tuesday was the classic rock songs. They were too obvious and overused (by which I mean they both had too many and they let them play too long) - with the exception of "All Along the Watchtower" probably because that moment was too badass to be ruined, that song is too badass and appropriate to ruin anything and I'm such a BSG nut at the moment.

I'll see what I think when I see it again.

[identity profile] artemis-archer.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
"I did it thirty-five minutes ago"

I was so sad this line totally fell flat :( I was hoping for that Epic Snap too. Also nitpicky maybe but I really wanted "Oh shit. I'm on Mars". The breathy OMG just didn't do it for me.

I agree so much about Rorschach. Jackie Earle Haley was really amazing.

[identity profile] scornedsaint.livejournal.com 2009-03-06 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
You are kind of changing my mind on the movie but before I run out and see it, a question: the New Yorker said it's "grimy with misogyny". Is that an over exaggeration? What with the endless cycle of depressing Rihanna news, I'm just not sure how much woman-hate I can put up with right now.

[identity profile] skyblade.livejournal.com 2009-03-07 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
I was always kind of dissapointed by Ozyamandis's costume the most because it's not so much a superhero outfit as a faux-royal one. It should have been easiest to translate to screen. Also, by making him look more "dark" than "golden"

[identity profile] mcamason.livejournal.com 2009-03-07 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
I was okay with the music with one glaring exception.

I'm a fan of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah," honestly, I am. It's a beautiful song and can fit in so many ways. I can see it a couple of other places in that movie. Or even where they used it, if they'd backed off on the volume a bit.

As it was, I was putting my hand to my face going, "oh god"

Didn't that scene (or one close to it) have a Billie Holliday song associated with it in the book?

Other than that, LOVED the movie. The change in the ending worked fine for me. Would rather they'd have gone with "I did it thirty-five minutes ago" too, though.
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[personal profile] celestinenox 2009-03-07 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
I am sort of in love with this movie.

And sort of in love with Ozymandias, too (because to pick that poem to get his name from, and that quote... oh man, that's some balls, there... it's like he did it on purpose).

I know nothing about the graphic novel, though. I will, but I went into the movie a clean slate.

[identity profile] revelried.livejournal.com 2009-03-07 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
that movie is probably the best book-to-movie adaption I've ever seen.
I just got home like an hour ago from it.

[identity profile] nightangel486.livejournal.com 2009-03-07 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
I have to say I agree with you wholeheartedly about Rorschach, both with that being one of my favorite lines of the movie, and with him, in the end, strangely seeming like the most moral one somehow, just--to me anyway--for the fact that everyone else was willing to accept Veidt's plan as being necessary, whereas he wasn't.

[identity profile] ali-jayne.livejournal.com 2009-03-07 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
This is probably going to be a really weird question, but in the graphic novel, whenever Jon takes Laurie space-traveling, she ends up being sick. Does that happen in the movie? I ask because I'm emetophobic, and if that's randomly thrown at me (no pun intended), I tend to get a little, you know, NUTSO.

Thanks for letting me know. :)

[identity profile] wumbawoman.livejournal.com 2009-03-07 03:24 am (UTC)(link)
That was also THE BEST line in the movie for me and I felt, really defined Rorschach succinctly.

I thought that Snyder did an excellent job of catching the grim and grit aspect (mind you, I haven't read the book). Talk about walking on the edge of a knife! He could have easily gone into camp and cliche and he really did a good job of not.

[identity profile] azuresquirrel.livejournal.com 2009-03-07 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
So, seeing the movie tomorrow and will probably love it because I seem much easier to please than most fans of anything

BUT

HOW could they change THE line of Watchmen??? I feel a little silly right now, kinda like one of those HP fans who bitched about Hermione's Yule Ball dress being OMGEVILPINK, but REALLY. Even having not seen the movie I already know that simply does not have the same punch as "I did it."

On a more minor vaguely Watchmen-related note, as someone who is an ardent feminist, I'm a little peeved that other people seem to think I'm not allowed to enjoy any works of media that do not portray ideal gender relations. While I would like more things with awesome women and whatnot, I didn't know that my choice of fiction should be completely compliant with all of my social/political views. :( (doesn't that defeat the whole point of art anyway???) Bah.
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[personal profile] leucocrystal 2009-03-07 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
but then, when they make a movie they don't burn all existing copies of the book so it's not like a movie irreparably robs you of anything. In my mind, I was judging the movie against what it could have been like--when it did feel right, it felt very, very right, and that's all I wanted. And I feel that's all you can ask for from a book adaptation, no matter how faithful it actually is.
I think that's the best, most articulate expression of my own mindset when I go into films that are adaptations of something great I've ever seen. And it makes me look forward to seeing Watchmen (which I, yes, adore in its original form; I studied graphic novels for years, for crying out loud!) all the more. Sweet!

[identity profile] softerthansound.livejournal.com 2009-03-07 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
When Jackie Earle Haley said that line, the audience started cheering and there were definitely a few pumped fists. The Rorschach like seems to be universal.

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